SydLexia.com Forum Index
"Stay awhile. Stay... FOREVER!"

  [Edit Profile]  [Search]  [Memberlist]  [Usergroups]  [FAQ]  [Register]
[Who's Online]  [Log in to check your private messages]  [Log in]
Oscar snubs and snubs you don't consider all too bad


Reply to topic
Author Message
Doddsino
Joined: Oct 01 2009
PostPosted: Feb 20 2011 06:46 pm Reply with quote Back to top

So the Oscars are a week away, and naturally the topic around this time people always bring up is what movie this year is going to get snubbed in one way or another. People like to look back on previous winners and bitch about how some movies deserved to win over others and all that. It seems like almost every year, the Academy fucks up and gives the award to the wrong movie. Just curious what some of you think, as well as some movies you believe are justifiably worthy of Best Picture.

I'll start off with the movies I feel are complete bullshit winners. Look no further than 1980's Ordinary People. What a disappointing movie when compared to the other movies that came out that year, especially Raging Bull, which I still believe is Scorsese's masterpiece. Also The Elephant Man lost of this dung heap. Not even Donald Sutherland could save this movie from being really mediocre. It's certainly not the worst movie to win Best Picture (that would go to The Deer Hunter), it's certainly a glaring example of favoritism on behalf of the Academy.

The very next year, yet another boring stupid movie wins; Chariots of Fire. I'm not the kind of person who gets easily bored with movies, but Jesus H. Christ this movie felt like 4 hours. I don't feel that the Academy played favoritism here, but I guess they wanted a shitty period piece to win. What's bullshit is that it won over fucking Raiders of the Lost Ark. Sure, it's an action movie...but come on, it was a lot more than that and it truly holds the test of time, unlike Chariots. To add insult to injury, John fuckin' Williams also lost to Chariots for Best Original Score.

The Academy sure does love Robert Redford movie vehicles, because they decided to award 1985's Out of Africa with the win. That would be good if there weren't two other superior movies in The Color Purple and Witness, which should have won. And Prizzi's Honor shouldn't have even been fucking nominated! I'm not going to go on about this one, since it is boring, but seriously...fuck you Robert Redford!

1996...The English Patient. Let's see, Fargo, Shine, Jerry Maguire, Slingblade, The People vs. Larry Flynt, and The Rock were all better than this movie. You all know it.

Of course everyone knows about Titanic and how much money it got and all the awards, all the acclaim, all the effect, "I'm the king of the world!", yadda yadda...well it wasn't a terrible movie, but it certainly didn't deserve to win over LA Confidential, which was one of the few movies that literally did have me on the edge of my seat the entire time I watched it. As Good as it Gets is a pretty good movie as well, but I don't know if it holds up as much.

There was a lot of controversy over the movie Crash winning in 2005. When I watched this movie, I didn't see what the controversy was, unless you count it as this movie sucking hardcore. What a miserable waste of time, as if I need a movie without a message trying to give me a message. I haven't seen any of the other nominees outside of Munich, and that was a helluva lot better than this.

Just my personal opinion, but I felt that There Will Be Blood should've won over No Country for Old Men in 2007. I liked both movies, but TWBB was just a better quality flick...Paul Thomas Anderson always delivers, while the Coen Bros. deliver about 50% of the time.

And just last year, one of the most disappointing movies as far as hype goes won. Now before I go on, The Hurt Locker wasn't bad, it was just very very vanilla. Nothing stood out in my mind that made me feel the movie was vastly superior to any others. The story was generic, the characters were uninteresting cookie cutter douchebags and overall I think this movie tried to play on your basic war sympathy. Like I said, the movie wasn't bad...it just left me with wanting something more, something that Inglourious Basterds fulfilled. It was a well written movie that had characters we could care about and a story that was poignant and a lot of themes that seemed to come out of a comic book, yet didn't display itself as such. Up was another great movie that I felt was better, although the very idea that District 9 got nominated makes me sick.

As for some movies that won but everyone bitches that they shouldn't have, well I'll start with the most obvious...Forrest Gump. I don't get the hate for this movie, in fact it seems to come from a lot of Pulp Fiction fan boys who deem PF as the greatest movie of all time. Granted, it was a good movie, and I would say I would rather watch it over Gump, but that doesn't mean that Gump is necessarily a bad or even unworthy movie. It's too close to call in my mind, because I really like the themes in both movies and felt they both told a really good story. The Shawshank Redemption is another really good movie that deserves recognition...so you have 3 of the best movies I've ever seen that came out in 1994, so at least to me, I feel it could have gone either way. At least Quiz Show didn't win. Fuck you Robert Redford!

I guess the other glaring example that everyone complains about is 1990's Dances With Wolves. Just like Pulp Fiction, when it comes down to it, I'd probably watch Goodfellas over DWW, but it doesn't make it a superior movie. I think that Dances With Wolves is one of the few movies that told a basic story in such an epic way. It was one of the few westerns since A Man Called Horse that focused the story on the natives instead of the white civilization. Both films hold up very well today, and it's a toss up to which one is better. I guess my minor complaint against Goodfellas is that Scorsese summarizes Henry Hill's life too much, as well as change some crucial plot for convenience, but again...it's a movie, not a huge deal. And again, it comes back to me that Scorsese's real winner will always be Raging Bull.

A few other movies that shouldn't have won but there wasn't much of an option as far as other nominees or that I don't have much reason to say otherwise;

1961: West Side Story (there wasn't much else...The Hustler...maybe?)

1964: My Fair Lady (Dr. Strangelove, even though I haven't seen My Fair Lady in it's entirety...you don't argue with Kubrick)

1968: Oliver! (not much better as far as choices go but this wasn't a bad movie)

1971: The French Connection (maybe it's just because I wasn't alive but I never saw the big deal with French Connection, in fact the highly acclaimed chase scenes weren't that good, there were better sequences in Bullitt, plus the fact that A Clockwork Orange lost to this...ugh)

1976: Rocky (yeeeah...Taxi Driver probably should've won...Scorsese gets snubbed a lot)

1977: Annie Hall (I didn't hate this movie, but it's probably one of my lesser favorite Woody Allen movies, plus I hate to sound like a fan boy and say Star Wars deserved it)

1978: The Deer Hunter (bland year for movies all around)

1986: Platoon (not a bad movie, but I don't know about Best Picture...the fact that Blue Velvet wasn't even nominated is ridiculous)

1992: Unforgiven (I almost want to make a case that Scent of a Woman was a better movie, but it doesn't matter...Clint Eastwood would shoot me dead)

1998: Shakespeare in Love (haven't seen it, but it looks absolutely ridiculous compared to Saving Private Ryan)

2001: Gladiator (mediocre year, I guess I could make the argument for Traffic but I really don't care that much)

2003: LOTR: Return of the King (even though I didn't like any of them, if you're going to give any of these movies Best Picture, it should have have been Fellowship)

2006: The Departed (The Prestige should have been nominated)

Anyways...just thought I'd get some of your opinions.
View user's profileSend private message
username
Title: owner of a lonely heart
Joined: Jul 06 2007
Location: phoenix, az usa
PostPosted: Feb 20 2011 06:57 pm Reply with quote Back to top

what did the deer hunter lose to? i love that movie, but i dont know what its competition was that year.

i believe gladiator is an awesome movie. definitely best of that year. traffic was decent, but not better than gladiator.

everything else, i kind of agree with. especially about crash. that movie was horrible. everyone that saw it loved it and basically forced me to watch it. when i finally saw it, i just couldnt see what was so great about it.


Klimbatize wrote:
I'll eat a turkey sandwich while blowing my load

 
View user's profileSend private messageAIM AddressYahoo MessengerMSN Messenger
Doddsino
Joined: Oct 01 2009
PostPosted: Feb 20 2011 07:03 pm Reply with quote Back to top

No, The Deer Hunter won in 1978, which was a very bland year for movies all around. I think Deer Hunter would have worked better with a better director, the acting was superb, the writing was decent, but the directing and editing was intolerable to me. If you want to watch a good Michael Cimino movie, watch Thunderbolt and Lightfoot.
View user's profileSend private message
Jack Slater
Title: Friendly Felon
Joined: May 17 2009
Location: Phoenix, AZ
PostPosted: Feb 20 2011 09:07 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Personally, I think that The Cider House Rules should have won over American Beauty. I don't remember what year that was, only that I felt it was a sham at the time.


Image
Cause that's how I roll bounce.
 
View user's profileSend private message
SNESGuy
Title: El Duderino
Joined: Jul 31 2010
Location: Da D.C
PostPosted: Feb 20 2011 10:29 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Jack Slater wrote:
Personally, I think that The Cider House Rules should have won over American Beauty. I don't remember what year that was, only that I felt it was a sham at the time.

I really liked American Beauty for what it was about but yeah that one was close


Image
 
View user's profileSend private message
IceWarm
Joined: Dec 22 2008
Location: Breckenridge, Colorado
PostPosted: Feb 20 2011 11:13 pm Reply with quote Back to top

2011 - No best director nomination for Christopher Nolan, that is ridiculous in my opinion.


"Anybody who ever built an empire, or changed the world, sat where you are now. And it’s because they sat there that they were able to do it."

"Fighting in a basement offers a lot of difficulties, number one being, you're fighting in a basement."

"You're Not So Tough Without Your Veggie!"
 
View user's profileSend private messageVisit poster's website
GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
PostPosted: Feb 20 2011 11:27 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Beerfest should have won in 2006. Ok... in all seriousness what other film deserved it other than The Departed? The magic movie? Which one? They were both good, but neither was great enough to be the best movie of the year.

Yes, I did single out one year towards the end of your post Dod... it was a damn monster of a post that really needed a tl;dr for those of us with ADD.



 
View user's profileSend private messageVisit poster's website
Optimist With Doubts
Title: Titlating
Joined: Dec 17 2007
PostPosted: Feb 20 2011 11:39 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Paul Giamatti was seriously snubbed for sideways and American Splendor.


Image
 
View user's profileSend private messageAIM AddressYahoo Messenger
JoshWoodzy
Joined: May 22 2008
Location: Goshen, VA
PostPosted: Feb 21 2011 12:32 am Reply with quote Back to top

Optimist With Doubts wrote:
Paul Giamatti was seriously snubbed for sideways and American Splendor.

This.

Also, I might sound lazy or something but speaking about your original post Dodds, it was too long and I didn't read it.


Image
 
View user's profileSend private messageAIM Address
Doddsino
Joined: Oct 01 2009
PostPosted: Feb 21 2011 12:53 am Reply with quote Back to top

Gee...thanks Sad
View user's profileSend private message
SNESGuy
Title: El Duderino
Joined: Jul 31 2010
Location: Da D.C
PostPosted: Feb 21 2011 01:38 am Reply with quote Back to top

Doddsino wrote:
Gee...thanks Sad

I read it it was informative!
Image


Image
 
View user's profileSend private message
Optimist With Doubts
Title: Titlating
Joined: Dec 17 2007
PostPosted: Feb 21 2011 02:04 am Reply with quote Back to top

Also Eugene levy and that other lady for best song.


Image
 
View user's profileSend private messageAIM AddressYahoo Messenger
Jack Slater
Title: Friendly Felon
Joined: May 17 2009
Location: Phoenix, AZ
PostPosted: Feb 21 2011 03:13 am Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:
Beerfest should have won in 2006. Ok... in all seriousness what other film deserved it other than The Departed? The magic movie? Which one? They were both good, but neither was great enough to be the best movie of the year.

Yes, I did single out one year towards the end of your post Dod... it was a damn monster of a post that really needed a tl;dr for those of us with ADD.


Thank you for reminding me! The BIGGEST FUCKING BULLSHIT OSCAR SNUB OF ALL TIME!!

2006, Leonardo DiCaprio comes out with not one, but TWO fucking amazing films, The Departed and Blood Diamond. He does a fantastic job in both as basically lead actor, neither film would have been the same without him. Without a doubt, the best actor of the year.

And who does the Best Actor go to that year? Motherfucking Forest Whitaker! For what, ONE fucking movie, The Last King of Scotland, and a mediocre performance at best! I saw all three of these films, and The Departed was far and away the best, but as far as African crisis films go, Blood Diamond stomped Last King in the motherfucking mud patch.

In hindsight, I call sham. I call shill! I call bullshit political correctness on top of it all!
View user's profileSend private message
Jack Slater
Title: Friendly Felon
Joined: May 17 2009
Location: Phoenix, AZ
PostPosted: Feb 21 2011 03:14 am Reply with quote Back to top

SnesGuy wrote:
Doddsino wrote:
Gee...thanks Sad

I read it it was informative!
Image


That movie was just so... odd.

I had no idea what to make of it. Oh, I sat through it all right, but at the end, I wasn't sure whether it was a good use of my two hours.
View user's profileSend private message
Pandajuice
Title: The Power of Grayskull
Joined: Oct 30 2008
Location: US and UK
PostPosted: Feb 21 2011 07:24 am Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:
Beerfest should have won in 2006. Ok... in all seriousness what other film deserved it other than The Departed? The magic movie? Which one? They were both good, but neither was great enough to be the best movie of the year.


Are you kidding? The Prestige is one of the best movies of the decade in my book. It's arguable whether or not it should have won over The Departed, but to say it was on par with Ed Norton's magic movie is ridiculous.

And yeah, Shakespeare in Love winning over Saving Private Ryan is the biggest Oscar blunder ever in my opinion. SiL is just another sappy, cliche riddled, and forgettable romantic comedy while Saving Private Ryan is a cinematic masterpiece that people will be talking about for another 50 years.
View user's profileSend private message
Doddsino
Joined: Oct 01 2009
PostPosted: Feb 21 2011 07:55 am Reply with quote Back to top

I hate to be a Nolan mark, but The Prestige was the only movie I literally almost stood up and applauded for. For how basic "the trick" was, it had you guessing the entire movie.

Me and my friend still debate if they were natural twins or they used Tesla's machine. I believe the former.
View user's profileSend private message
GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
PostPosted: Feb 21 2011 09:09 am Reply with quote Back to top

Pandajuice wrote:
GPFontaine wrote:
Beerfest should have won in 2006. Ok... in all seriousness what other film deserved it other than The Departed? The magic movie? Which one? They were both good, but neither was great enough to be the best movie of the year.

Are you kidding? The Prestige is one of the best movies of the decade in my book. It's arguable whether or not it should have won over The Departed, but to say it was on par with Ed Norton's magic movie is ridiculous.

As I said, I enjoyed The Prestige, however, for me, it just wasn't as good as it was for you.

I saw both magic movies within about a half a year of each other and honestly I felt the same way after watching both of them. Perhaps it is how I feel about the art of stage magic. Maybe it is my dislike of the duplication machine in an otherwise non-scifi movie. I enjoy movies with twists and turns, so both provided that for me. I guess I don't care which film other people like better, so long as the conclusion that either could be the best movie of the year, let alone decade, is never reached.



 
View user's profileSend private messageVisit poster's website
Optimist With Doubts
Title: Titlating
Joined: Dec 17 2007
PostPosted: Feb 21 2011 09:47 am Reply with quote Back to top

Last king of Scotland was Badass and deserved every award it got. You are wrong.


Image
 
View user's profileSend private messageAIM AddressYahoo Messenger
Douche McCallister
Moderator
Title: DOO-SHAY
Joined: Jan 26 2007
Location: Private Areas
PostPosted: Feb 21 2011 10:25 am Reply with quote Back to top

The Prestige kicked The Illusionists Ass. End of discussion.


Image
 
View user's profileSend private messageSend e-mail
GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
PostPosted: Feb 21 2011 12:29 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Douche McCallister wrote:
The Prestige kicked The Illusionists Ass. End of discussion.

Douche and anyone else who agrees, please do me a favor.

Rate both The Illusionist and The Prestige on a scale of 0-100.

You don't have to explain your reasoning, but if you do I'll read it. Make sure to rate them against all other movies from all time, not just each other or 2006 films.



 
View user's profileSend private messageVisit poster's website
Jack Slater
Title: Friendly Felon
Joined: May 17 2009
Location: Phoenix, AZ
PostPosted: Feb 21 2011 04:16 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Optimist With Doubts wrote:
Last king of Scotland was Badass and deserved every award it got. You are wrong.


Bullshit. It was fucking boring and Whitaker might as well have been replaced with a paper bag. Blood Diamond was superior, and The Departed was better than both.

Of course, I am just repeating what I've already said, but it was necessary, as you are wrong, not I.
View user's profileSend private message
Doddsino
Joined: Oct 01 2009
PostPosted: Feb 21 2011 04:39 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The Prestige-96-100
The Illusionist-78-100

And guys...it's all opinion...no one is right. Except me.
View user's profileSend private message
Blackout
Title: Captain Oblivious
Joined: Sep 01 2007
Location: That Rainy State
PostPosted: Feb 21 2011 05:06 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Jack Slater wrote:
SnesGuy wrote:
Doddsino wrote:
Gee...thanks Sad

I read it it was informative!
Image


That movie was just so... odd.

I had no idea what to make of it. Oh, I sat through it all right, but at the end, I wasn't sure whether it was a good use of my two hours.

Oh dear god that movie! Sad



 
View user's profileSend private messageAIM AddressYahoo MessengerMSN Messenger
Douche McCallister
Moderator
Title: DOO-SHAY
Joined: Jan 26 2007
Location: Private Areas
PostPosted: Feb 21 2011 06:24 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Doddsino wrote:
The Prestige-96-100
The Illusionist-78-100

And guys...it's all opinion...no one is right. Except me.

That's about what I was thinking. The Prestige had a double twist at the end, which is better than single twist in my book. The plot itself was much more interesting than in the Illusionist. I had no real care about Edward Norton, I like him as an actor but I really didn't care if he got the last laugh. In the Prestige I hated Jackman then I hated Bale, then I hated Jackman again, then I hated Bale again but after the movie and contemplating about it I hated Jackman more. In the Illusionist I hated the bad guy. Quintuple Hate > Single Hate.


Image
 
View user's profileSend private messageSend e-mail
GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
PostPosted: Feb 22 2011 12:06 am Reply with quote Back to top

Douche McCallister wrote:
Doddsino wrote:
The Prestige-96-100
The Illusionist-78-100

And guys...it's all opinion...no one is right. Except me.

That's about what I was thinking. The Prestige had a double twist at the end, which is better than single twist in my book. The plot itself was much more interesting than in the Illusionist. I had no real care about Edward Norton, I like him as an actor but I really didn't care if he got the last laugh. In the Prestige I hated Jackman then I hated Bale, then I hated Jackman again, then I hated Bale again but after the movie and contemplating about it I hated Jackman more. In the Illusionist I hated the bad guy. Quintuple Hate > Single Hate.

Both Yoda and I agree that The Prestige was good for fueling the dark side with the amount of times that you feel a strong amount of hate for the characters. For me though, that didn't make it better or worse.

I felt as though The Prestige was about an 86, while The Illusionist was an 83. Once again, I think both were good movies, I just didn't like The Prestige as much as many of you guys. I thought that The Departed was about a 89.



 
View user's profileSend private messageVisit poster's website
Display posts from previous:      
Reply to topic

 
 Jump to: