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Can someone explain something to me about Ghostbusters?


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Kacen
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PostPosted: Oct 30 2010 06:05 am Reply with quote Back to top

Why is Ghostbusters II considered terrible by comparison to the first one by most people?

I'm not saying I loved it or anything, I'm rather indifferent to the series as a whole, I don't like it, love it, or hate it, I'm just indifferent (probably because I didn't grow up in the 80's).

It's just when I watch both movies, and later I'm told that 2 was shit, I'm confused because I don't see where the "dip in quality" came from. I didn't see that huge of a difference.

Perhaps I have no frame of reference?

What made it bad compared to the first one?

If I was forced to rate them objectively I'd put them roughly the same.

This has actually been bugging me for a few years, and it only recently occurred to me that this was probably the best forum I'm a member of to ask such a strange question.
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PostPosted: Oct 30 2010 06:08 am Reply with quote Back to top

I've wondered this myself too. I thought the second one was just about as good as the first one. I have the same probably with Back to the Future also. Everyone says 2 is better than 3, but I have to disagree, I enjoy 3 more.


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PostPosted: Oct 30 2010 07:11 am Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah, I always liked BTTF 3 more than 2 when I was younger, but now I love all 3 films equally as part of one cohesive trilogy.

I was never a Ghostbusters fanboy despite growing up in the thick of it in the 80s, and yeah, as an adult both movies seem the same in terms of quality; partly because I think the first Ghostbusters is fairly overrated.
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PostPosted: Oct 30 2010 09:01 am Reply with quote Back to top

I always wondered that too. GB2 is great.

I think the problem with BTTF3 is that people were sick of Westerns at the time. Westerns were produced pretty much nonstop from 40s-70s, and when BTTF3 came out, they were considered trite. BTTF2 was really dark.
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PostPosted: Oct 30 2010 12:45 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah, I absolutely loved both Ghostbusters 2 and Back to the Future 3, I could never understand why they were held as low as the others. People are lame.


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PostPosted: Oct 30 2010 12:45 pm Reply with quote Back to top

That walking Statue of Liberty thing makes people roll their eyes. Also, opening opposite Batman didn't help the movie at all.

But really, I think it's mostly because Ghostbusters was something novel and new, and Ghostbusters II was...well, not. I don't think the movie is bad, just...boring. More of the same.

As for BttF, neither 2 or 3 was a particularly good movie. But BttF2 was all shiny and futury and had time travel and revisited the events of the first movie. Two things people -love- are nostalgia (right? right?) and the future. BttF3 was boring as hell in comparison.
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PostPosted: Oct 30 2010 03:22 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I love both Ghostbusters movies but I feel that many people see Ghostbusters 2 as being toned down from the original as far as some of the adult comedy goes.


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PostPosted: Oct 30 2010 10:20 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I thought the fact that BttF2 revisited the events of the first movie made it seem a little rehashed.


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I thought Viggo was scary as hell. Granted I was 9 at the time, but to this day he's still pretty creepy.


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PostPosted: Nov 01 2010 08:05 pm Reply with quote Back to top

joshwoodzy wrote:
Yeah, I absolutely loved both Ghostbusters 2 and Back to the Future 3, I could never understand why they were held as low as the others. People are lame.

Totally this. I LOVE GB II. I mean, its not quite as much fun as the original (what ever is), but it's still awesome. And given the choice, I'd watch BTtF III over II every time.


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PostPosted: Nov 01 2010 09:07 pm Reply with quote Back to top

sidewaydriver wrote:
I thought the fact that BttF2 revisited the events of the first movie made it seem a little rehashed.


I disagree. I think it is an attempt to show the complexities of time travel. Think about it, when you are watching BTTF 1 again, all the stuff in 2 (1955) is going on at the same time. I thought it was a clever idea and it was probably funny at the time that Marty would need to travel back to 1955 to save the future again.
I like 3 but just not as much, some of it seemed more campy to me and after the darkness of 2, 3 just seemed too light hearted. I mean Tannen in 3 was just a complete moron, Biff/Griff was an ass in the rest of the series but he still had some sense.



 
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PostPosted: Nov 01 2010 11:50 pm Reply with quote Back to top

UsaSatsui wrote:
That walking Statue of Liberty thing makes people roll their eyes.

Because Ghostbusters has always been about realism, and the giant marshmallow man in the first one was super serious.

UsaSatsui wrote:
Ghostbusters II was...well, not. I don't think the movie is bad, just...boring. More of the same.

That's a completely fair assessment. Because after Ghostbusters came out, the market was suddenly saturated with movies in which ghosts were busted. So when Ghostbusters 2 finally debuted, it was like Jesus Christ in Heaven, not ANOTHER movie about ghostbusting. I mean, Ghostbusters 2 should have tried to reshape the whole ghostbusting genre and the way people thought about ghostbusting movies. First off, there shouldn't have been ANY ghostbusting in the movie. We already saw that in the first movie. Yawn. Ghostbusters 2 should have been about the Ghostbusters trying to save a summer camp, or maybe they go on vacation and accidentally meet Dracula. Now, that's money right there - Ghostbusters 2: Vampirebusters. Also, there should have been new Ghostbusters introduced, who were young and sexy. Johnny Depp and Tiffany Amber-Thiessen were popular at the time, they should have been added on as GIBs, Ghostbusters In Training. And can you say celebrity cameos? A lot of those always help a movie out.
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PostPosted: Nov 02 2010 12:06 am Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
UsaSatsui wrote:
That walking Statue of Liberty thing makes people roll their eyes.

Because Ghostbusters has always been about realism, and the giant marshmallow man in the first one was super serious.

UsaSatsui wrote:
Ghostbusters II was...well, not. I don't think the movie is bad, just...boring. More of the same.

That's a completely fair assessment. Because after Ghostbusters came out, the market was suddenly saturated with movies in which ghosts were busted. So when Ghostbusters 2 finally debuted, it was like Jesus Christ in Heaven, not ANOTHER movie about ghostbusting. I mean, Ghostbusters 2 should have tried to reshape the whole ghostbusting genre and the way people thought about ghostbusting movies. First off, there shouldn't have been ANY ghostbusting in the movie. We already saw that in the first movie. Yawn. Ghostbusters 2 should have been about the Ghostbusters trying to save a summer camp, or maybe they go on vacation and accidentally meet Dracula. Now, that's money right there - Ghostbusters 2: Vampirebusters. Also, there should have been new Ghostbusters introduced, who were young and sexy. Johnny Depp and Tiffany Amber-Thiessen were popular at the time, they should have been added on as GIBs, Ghostbusters In Training. And can you say celebrity cameos? A lot of those always help a movie out.

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PostPosted: Nov 02 2010 12:22 am Reply with quote Back to top

Fuck the haters. Both were equally enjoyable. Though Gozer damn near made me shit my pants when I was 5.

And the same with BttF. In my current cinematically jaded state, I could only WISH that they could make a movie trilogy nowadays with the same cohesive holds and familiarities without overblown non-fanboy lockout as the Back to the Future trilogy. There's a reason those movies have aged so well, and it's because they fucking WORK.


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PostPosted: Nov 02 2010 12:31 am Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
or maybe they go on vacation and accidentally meet Dracula.

Thanks for ruining Ghostbusters III for me. There's no way I can enjoy it now since no matter what it's about, it can never live up to this idea.


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PostPosted: Nov 02 2010 12:50 am Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
UsaSatsui wrote:
That walking Statue of Liberty thing makes people roll their eyes.

Because Ghostbusters has always been about realism, and the giant marshmallow man in the first one was super serious.

Maybe not, but it was a giant marshmallow man of rage and destruction. Not a well-known symbol known around the world powered by happy feelings.

UsaSatsui wrote:
Ghostbusters II was...well, not. I don't think the movie is bad, just...boring. More of the same.
Syd Lexia wrote:
Blah blah blah thinky veiled sarcasm blah blah blah

Okay, seriously, knock that shit off. Try actually making a point instead of going off into sarcastic happy land, OK?

Ghostbusters II was pretty much Ghostbusters I remixed, with Happy Slime added in. It was more of the same movie, and not nearly as well done as the first one. Maybe if they -had- tried something different with it, it may have been better received...honestly, a zombie or vampire kind of plot might have been different enough to be interesting.
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Syd Lexia wrote:
UsaSatsui wrote:
That walking Statue of Liberty thing makes people roll their eyes.

Because Ghostbusters has always been about realism, and the giant marshmallow man in the first one was super serious.

This seriously made me laugh harder than anything has in a loooong time. Laughing


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PostPosted: Nov 02 2010 05:45 am Reply with quote Back to top

As one of those people, I just can't explain it. While the story itself was decent, I didn't think it had nearly as much as the original. Also a few other things;

Venkman felt toned down as a whole. I know his relations with Dana were already established, but it would've been better if he was more of the suave bastard he was in the original.

Egon felt almost gone from this movie, compared to the original. Originally my favorite character, he felt absent unless it was in a scene involving Stantz and Venkman. And Stantz seemed to have most of his conversations with Winston.

Winston...I feel part of the reason he worked so well in the original is he arrived so late in the movie. Naturally, they couldn't do that in this movie, so his role was expanded a lot, and a lot of his one liners fell flat. And I mean, who the hell hates Jell-O?

Louis Tully getting with Janine, who was Egon's woman in the original. It was better that way. Tully was funny and everything, but he almost played out like a parody of himself.

Vigo seemed like a huge step down from Gozer IMO, I always found Vigo to be kind of a joke.

The same goes for that judge, in a lot of ways he was the poor man's Walter Peck.

Someone already mentioned the Statue of Liberty thing. No idea why I would get wrapped up in something like this when the movie is about ghosts that can slime you. I can suspend realism over something silly such as ghosts, but the Statue of Liberty thing made me scratch my head when I was 7.

I hated baby Oscar.

Overall, this movie was a lot more toned down than the original. It wasn't awful, and it did have some good things. I always feel origin stories work so much better than later stories, so while this is alright, I can't watch it in the same way as I could the original.
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PostPosted: Nov 02 2010 09:32 am Reply with quote Back to top

But the Statue had the NES Advantage, how could you not like that?



 
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PostPosted: Nov 02 2010 10:08 am Reply with quote Back to top

You guys do know they are making Ghostbusters 3 due for release in 2012?

Apparently all the old ghostbusters are going to be in it but they are too old so there is going to be a newer cast.

Should prove interesting.
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UsaSatsui wrote:
Okay, seriously, knock that shit off. Try actually making a point instead of going off into sarcastic happy land, OK?

I did make a point. I just happened to make it with sarcasm. My personal tastes are part of who I am as a person, and an attack on my tastes is an implicit attack on me. When you say Ghostbusters 2 is stupid and boring, then it follows that it can only be enjoyed by stupid, boring people. So you're calling me stupid and boring. So forgive me if I skipped the frivolity of courtesy.

Look, you're an entitled to an opinion. But when you shit on something people like without filling your opinion with a ton of qualifying statements, people who like said thing are entitled to get pissed off.
Blackout wrote:
But the Statue had the NES Advantage, how could you not like that?

Seriously!

I wish the GB2 NES game had been even half as fun as watching the Ghostbusters march through New York in the Statue of Liberty. But it wasn't.
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PostPosted: Nov 02 2010 01:13 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I would just like to say that if they made a Ghostbusters movie where they went to camp and accidentally met Dracula, I would totally see it, and more than likely totally love it.


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PostPosted: Nov 02 2010 02:09 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
UsaSatsui wrote:
Okay, seriously, knock that shit off. Try actually making a point instead of going off into sarcastic happy land, OK?

I did make a point. I just happened to make it with sarcasm. My personal tastes are part of who I am as a person, and an attack on my tastes is an implicit attack on me. When you say Ghostbusters 2 is stupid and boring, then it follows that it can only be enjoyed by stupid, boring people. So you're calling me stupid and boring. So forgive me if I skipped the frivolity of courtesy.

You didn't make a point. You just went all "Oooo, what if they fought Dracula at Summer camp, would that be less boring?" The topic asks why the second movie doesn't get as much love as the first, I speculated a reason.

And for the love of Applebees, you've been a writer for how long now? It shouldn't be a big deal if someone disagrees with your opinion, and you shouldn't take it personally. Seriously, if someone says they hate Nintendo, do you come after them with a pickaxe?

...and okay, fine, the NES Advantage thing was pretty cool to us video game geeks back in the day.
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I did make a point. You said it was more of the same. I argued that "more of the same" wasn't necessarily a fair argument, because there wasn't all that much same for there to be more of. Yeah, they were fighting ghosts again. But they're the goddam Ghostbusters, what else would they do? And there are a lot more ghosts in GB2.

There are a lot of great jokes, too. The birthday party scene, the train, the Titanic, the mink coat, Louis telling the story of the 7 dwarves, hairless pets, the list goes on...

And yes, Vigo and Janosz are practically Disney villains, but that's what makes them fun.

And GB2 has my favorite line from either movie:

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PostPosted: Nov 02 2010 11:15 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I always kinda liked GB2, i mean come on, they made a toaster dance!


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