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PostPosted: Aug 14 2010 12:03 am Reply with quote Back to top

has anyone else seen this film? Holy shit is it amazing. Best animated film ever made.


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PostPosted: Aug 14 2010 12:09 am Reply with quote Back to top

Ya it's really good.. I thought it was funny, when a proffessor up at my university was actually showing it to his students in a film class. It's definitely a good and entertaining film, just was surprised they used it.


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PostPosted: Aug 14 2010 12:23 am Reply with quote Back to top

I convinced my japanese teacher to show it in class.


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PostPosted: Aug 14 2010 02:44 am Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah. Good movie.


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PostPosted: Aug 14 2010 04:03 am Reply with quote Back to top

It's been too long since I've seen this, but I remember it being an absolutely beautiful movie. If you liked it and haven't seen any of Miyazaki's other work, I highly encourage you to seek them out. Princess Mononoke may be his best, but all of his films are brilliant and worth your time.


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PostPosted: Aug 14 2010 06:57 am Reply with quote Back to top

The only thing I remember about it is that the lady who played Mulder & Scully on the X-Files did a voice for it.
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PostPosted: Aug 14 2010 10:26 am Reply with quote Back to top

I saw other Miyazaki and Studi Ghibli films. They are: Spirited Away, My Neighbor Totoro, Howl's Moving Castle, Castle In The Sky, and Whisper Of The Heart (Not Miyazaki). They're all amazing. I want to see Princess Mononoke and every other Studio Ghibli movie, because Hayao Miyazaki and Studio Ghibli are personal favorites of mine. I also want to see one of Isao Takahata's movies.


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PostPosted: Aug 14 2010 05:46 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Saw it very young, only remember that one guy got his arms chopped off


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PostPosted: Aug 14 2010 05:54 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The nature spirit's daytime form used to creep me out thanks to that scene where it stares straight ahead (into the Ashitaka's eyes). I actually don't mind the dub voices too much (possibly because I'm a sucker for Minnie Driver's voice)

I love Whisper of the Heart and was glad TCM showed it for their monthlong tribute to Miyazaki (first airing the dub, then the sub later in the evening).

I wanted to give my opinion on a bunch of other Miyazaki movies, but I found myself constantly saying if I see it on cable I'll watch it, no matter how many times I've seen it. I can honestly recommend almost anything he's done to be great. He's even got another film coming out, Legend of Earthsea. I haven't been able to catch a full trailer of it yet but I'm sure I'll go see it if I can.

His last film, Ponyo (on the Cliff by the Sea), didn't do too well from what I'm aware (the theaters around here didn't even ask for it so I had to wait until Redbox to watch it). Although awesome from a technical point (entirely hand-drawn), one viewing was enough for me.


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PostPosted: Aug 14 2010 06:44 pm Reply with quote Back to top

lordsathien wrote:
I love Whisper of the Heart and was glad TCM showed it for their monthlong tribute to Miyazaki (first airing the dub, then the sub later in the evening).

I wanted to give my opinion on a bunch of other Miyazaki movies, but I found myself constantly saying if I see it on cable I'll watch it, no matter how many times I've seen it. I can honestly recommend almost anything he's done to be great. He's even got another film coming out, Legend of Earthsea. I haven't been able to catch a full trailer of it yet but I'm sure I'll go see it if I can.

Whisper of the Heart isn't a Miyazaki movie. It was made by Yoshifumi Kondō. Also, Tales of Earthsea already came out in Japan, and it was made by his son, Goro Miyazaki. The next Ghibli movie is The Borrower Arrietty, which already came out in Japan.


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PostPosted: Aug 14 2010 08:11 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
The only thing I remember about it is that the lady who played Mulder & Scully on the X-Files did a voice for it.


That's the only thing that bugged me about it, honestly. I usually like watching anime dubbed if the voice acting is good (which, for this movie it certainly was) but I'm such a huge X-files freak that I honestly couldn't get past thinking "why is Scully's voice coming out of the wolf's mouth?!" every time she talked. I finally switched over to subtitles and enjoyed the movie far more.


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PostPosted: Aug 14 2010 11:56 pm Reply with quote Back to top

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Saw it very young, only remember that one guy got his arms chopped off


Ya i remember that scene, with an arrow shot or something.

Speaking of not having both arms, I really liked the scene, where the main character had that chick tucked underneath his left arm, and he pushes open that massive wooden door with one arm as he's gushing blood from a wound in his side... (which took like 30 men earlier to open)


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PostPosted: Aug 15 2010 08:19 am Reply with quote Back to top

SoldierHawk wrote:
Syd Lexia wrote:
The only thing I remember about it is that the lady who played Mulder & Scully on the X-Files did a voice for it.

That's the only thing that bugged me about it, honestly. I usually like watching anime dubbed if the voice acting is good (which, for this movie it certainly was) but I'm such a huge X-files freak that I honestly couldn't get past thinking "why is Scully's voice coming out of the wolf's mouth?!" every time she talked. I finally switched over to subtitles and enjoyed the movie far more.

I will not watch cartoons with subs. When it's live action, I like the words to be synced to the actors' lips so I use dubs. Otherwise, why the fuck do I want to listen to gibberish?
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PostPosted: Aug 15 2010 08:43 am Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
I will not watch cartoons with subs. When it's live action, I like the words to be synced to the actors' lips so I use dubs. Otherwise, why the fuck do I want to listen to gibberish?

Since the original post is about anime, one anime I've recently dicovered and really dig is Baccano! However, I've only been exposed to the dub and I think I'd prefer it that way for one reason; the series takes place in America between '30-33 focusing on mafia types in Chicago and New York. If I'm watching mafia-type stuff I want that Chicago accent/inflection. (Minor nitpick also being if Morrigan ever shows up in some animated show/series, have the damn courtesy of giving her a Scotch accent! One of the very few things that that wretched cartoon got right.)
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PostPosted: Aug 15 2010 10:56 am Reply with quote Back to top

Spirited Away and My Neighbor Totoro are both wonderful films. I have been told numerous times by a friend of mine to see Princess Mononoke. Must see it then I guess, going by what folks are sayin' on this here thread!


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PostPosted: Aug 15 2010 11:24 am Reply with quote Back to top

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I will not watch cartoons with subs. When it's live action, I like the words to be synced to the actors' lips so I use dubs. Otherwise, why the fuck do I want to listen to gibberish?


So judgemental... So presumptive....

Evidence #1: As any anime viewer will tell you there are countless examples in where either the original or more often the english dubbed version of an anime is absolutely horrible voice acting, sometimes in addition to just a horrible sounding voice, whereas a subbed version is much more tolerable and enjoyable to watch. A simple example is imagine that one starwars reviewer guy from that vid you posted, was doing a character in that voice in english, you'd probably prefer a voice that sounded better to not distract from the show.

Evidence#2: Just because you don't understand the words doesn't mean you can't take meaning from them. This is a defining characteristic of what makes a good voice actor. Sometimes the original language or another language has people who when the character is angry change their tone and volume appropriately, whereas some people maintain a monotone voice no matter what the situation or what they're saying. When they're doing sadness their voice softens etc ... etc.. For whatever reason in Japan, where much of this animated content comes, animation is very popular over there amongst all ages, and because of this voice acting is a legitimate career, where there is competition and high demand for people who does well with voice acting. So often if you read around you'll hear everyone say it, even Americans, that japenese voices are so much better. Majority of the time I Found this true, sometimes it's not true.

DBZ has decent english voice acting, Samurai Champloo has good voice acting, Princess mononoke... But many anime have horrible voice acting in english, because the show was redone for a smaller audience, say for kids... and the standard and demand for high quality isn't as present here in the U.S., so they get random people to do the voices, say for example Naruto, the most annoying english voice acting on Earth.

Anyway that's the primary reason people watch subs at times, and honestly it's not too bad to get used to it, and can really make a cartoon more enjoyable.

Watch a animated film in english on cartoon network, and compare it to a disney film, the voice acting quality will be worlds apart.. it's a whole new world....

I'd recommend trying it, and most who have have liked it after a small adjustment to reading.


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PostPosted: Aug 15 2010 01:09 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I can go either way when it comes to subs vs dubs.



 
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PostPosted: Aug 15 2010 01:32 pm Reply with quote Back to top

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SoldierHawk wrote:
Syd Lexia wrote:
The only thing I remember about it is that the lady who played Mulder & Scully on the X-Files did a voice for it.

That's the only thing that bugged me about it, honestly. I usually like watching anime dubbed if the voice acting is good (which, for this movie it certainly was) but I'm such a huge X-files freak that I honestly couldn't get past thinking "why is Scully's voice coming out of the wolf's mouth?!" every time she talked. I finally switched over to subtitles and enjoyed the movie far more.

I will not watch cartoons with subs. When it's live action, I like the words to be synced to the actors' lips so I use dubs. Otherwise, why the fuck do I want to listen to gibberish?

you won't watch it with subs?
How about at a club?
Or with some nice grub?
You will that it won't rub
you the wrong way
what do you say?


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PostPosted: Aug 15 2010 02:59 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Old dubs tend to be very hit or miss. Nothing released in the last 10-15 years has any excuse to be poorly dubbed. There's enough money in it now that they can afford to be professional. And don't act like subs are better. Subs are often filled with Engrish. Dubs aren't, because the voice actor says "I not saying that, that doesn't make sense. Translate better!"
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PostPosted: Aug 15 2010 03:32 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd, that adjustment would be easy to make if they wanted to put some wording into more proper or conversational english form.

It's more the issue, that in an english version they don't give a damn, because the profit isn't there to invest or take pride/care for the voice quality.. It's like the main characters family all dies... and he says in a robotic voice. "My FAMILY is gone. Oh (5 second pause) what will I do." Then there character starts crying, and the voice actor is not even making a crying sound.

That's a bit extreme.. but if you want proof watch an episode of naruto in english, and an episode of naruto in japenese. I'm not saying naruto a good show per se, but it's a good illustration. If you watch a lot of anime, you'll get to see it.

Wolf's Rain is another good example where the english is fine.


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PostPosted: Aug 15 2010 03:43 pm Reply with quote Back to top

They do put effort into dubs these days. Watch Spirited Away, for example. Japanese doesnt convey emotion to me, other than yelling and crying. Sarcasm, playfulness, introspection, these things are lost when I try to listen to it in Japanese.

Also, there are exactly three different Japanese voices:

angry Japanese male
fruity Japanese male
annoying high-pitched Japanese female
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PostPosted: Aug 15 2010 03:47 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Typically, Syd, subs are only filled with Engrish if you buy the cheap imports from Hong Kong instead of the actual releases. Not saying that all actual releases are perfect or anything, but they're much more likely to be accurate. Fansubs are also likely to be filled with Engrish, but there are just as many groups that do amazing jobs subbing things as there are groups that rush them out and don't care about what's being said.



 
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PostPosted: Aug 15 2010 03:59 pm Reply with quote Back to top

If the English is good watch it, I do...

If it's not that great I generally watch it in the language of origin, an if i can't catch a tonal change for sarcasm, likely i'll catch it in the text, and if not, I still enjoy it a lot more than having a lack of feeling or otherwise badly done dub. there are good dubs, I would give the language of origin a shot from time to time, you may be surprised.


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PostPosted: Aug 15 2010 08:35 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Let's just agree to disagree on which one is better and concede that subs and subs have come along way since the 80s. There isn't a single mainstream anime series or movie that's been shown dubbed on American television or in American theaters since the dawn of Toonami where I've thought "Wow, this is a terrible dub". Now, granted, a lot of the anime that gets televised over here (Naruto, DBZ, Yu-Gi-Oh, One Piece) are completely fucking terrible, but none of them are badly dubbed.
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One pieces plot was completely slaughtered as they changed it to be for kids. Naruto, Narutos voice is very high pitched and annoying.. "Believe it" Ya, I do naruto, Guy Sensei and Kakashi in the few episodes i saw had very monotonous tone. . Yu-gi oh was decent, they did a good job, Pokemon was also good from what i can remember, as with DBZ. I guess in the list most were decent. Maybe the mainstream ones have done a bit better... I have watched a good amount of anime, why it's tempting and more natural to listen to it in a language you understand, it's not always better entertainment wise.

If you haven't seen Samurai Champloo I highly recommend it you can even watch it in english, I did. It's only 26 episodes long, and they go by quick.


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