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A girl of eight yesterday said she had lied about being raped by two ten-year-olds.
The youngster told the Old Bailey she had wanted to play with the boys because she thought it would be 'fun'.
She said she made up the rape claim because she was worried she wouldn't get any sweets if her mother found out she had been 'a bit naughty'.
The boys, now aged ten and 11, are believed to be the youngest ever in Britain to face trial for rape.
Evidence: The alleged victim today told the court she had not been raped and had removed her underwear herself
They are alleged to have dragged the victim around a block of flats and bin sheds hunting for a secluded spot before they took turns to rape her in a playing field.
But yesterday, in an extraordinary twist, the girl said neither boy had raped her. She did however say one of the boys made her touch his penis as they played in a field.
In cross-examination by defence counsel, the girl admitted she had wanted to play with the boys and had pulled down her own underwear while the boys exposed themselves.
Linda Strudwick, defending one of the boys, asked her: 'You told her (your Mum) that it was the boys because you did not want your Mum to think you had been naughty, is that right?'
The girl, giving evidence via videolink, replied: 'Yeah.'
The judge, Mr Justice Saunders, asked what the girl had been worried about. She replied: 'No sweets if she found out I had been naughty.'
A court sketch from the Old Bailey features the two boys facing a TV screen as the eight-year-old girl gives evidence holding a teddy
The jury heard the girl had been playing near her home in Hayes, West London during the school half term on October 27 last year when the alleged attack happened.
The girl told the jury she had 'been a tiny bit' naughty when she took down her knickers to show the boys several times.
Miss Strudwick asked her: 'You found it quite fun to play with the boys? No one dragged you to the bin sheds, no one held or forced you or pushed you in there?'
She added: 'You were all giggling, it was just silly wasn't it?' The girl replied: 'Yeah'.
In a series of questions, the girl was asked if any parts of her body had been penetrated by the boys. She replied each time: 'No.'
After she finished her evidence Mr Justice Saunders told her: 'No one is suggesting you have done anything wrong.
'I am the judge and I don't suggest you have done anything wrong. Remember that.'
Cuddling her teddy Mr Happy, a girl of 8 tells court how two boys aged 10 took it in turns to rape her
When the group of children were found by their mothers minutes after the alleged attack, they all denied doing anything.
It was only when the girl got home she told her mother she had been raped.
She was later taken to hospital to be examined after complaining of stomach pains, where doctors found a number of scratches and grazes.
Earlier, the girl had agreed with Miss Strudwick that scratches she had on parts of her body may have been caused when the younger boy was trying to help her over a fence.
The boys, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, deny two charges of rape and two charges of attempted rape.
Yesterday the girl bit her fingers nervously as she was asked questions.
Sitting in an annexe to the court, she covered her face with her hands and tugged at her hair as she spoke about how she was 'naughty' with the boys.
Previously the court had been shown a video of her being interviewed by police about the alleged rape.
Tightly clutching a teddy to her chest, she told how the boys forced her to pull down her pants before taking it in turns to do something to her that made her bow her head and wipe her eyes.
She said the boys had 'showed me their willies' and demanded to see her ' minnie', flushing red with embarrassment as she was asked to point at what she meant.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1278119/Girl-8-tells-court-lied-raped-year-old-boys.html
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What the goddamned holy fsck.
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There are so many things wrong with this I can't really articulate on which to go off about first.
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A few thoughts:
-How does an 8 year old even know what rape is?
-I don't think a 10 year old boy is physically capable of having sex, let alone rape
-Not related directly to this story, but doesn't it seem like a surprisingly large number of girls have a story about how they were "raped" when they were teenagers? And is it a coincidence that they often seem to be the more whorish of your female friends? I don't mean to downplay the plight of real rape victims, but I tend to think these girls are often either A) Attention whores, or B) They did something they weren't proud of, so they try to convince themselves it was "rape."
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Seriously, just about every girl has her rape story. I like the ones that always want to bring it up somehow but never want to talk about it.
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| Ice2SeeYou wrote: |
A few thoughts:
-How does an 8 year old even know what rape is?
-I don't think a 10 year old boy is physically capable of having sex, let alone rape
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Well, there was that story a few years ago about those two 9-year-olds in China who had a baby, so.
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| SoldierHawk wrote: |
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| Seriously, just about every girl has her rape story. I like the ones that always want to bring it up somehow but never want to talk about it. |
Oh yeah. Remind me to tell you mine sometime. I usually only trot it out at parties when I want attention, but for you, Sideways, I'll make an exception.
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I apologize if I'm misreading any sarcasm here, and my condolences if you've got such a story.
But I would think that false rape accusations should be just as offensive (perhaps even more so) to women. Women who lie about it are the reason a lot of guys take rape accusations with a grain of salt, and roll their eyes every time a pro athelete is accused. It only makes it harder for true victims to be heard.
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| SoldierHawk wrote: |
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| Seriously, just about every girl has her rape story. I like the ones that always want to bring it up somehow but never want to talk about it. |
Oh yeah. Remind me to tell you mine sometime. I usually only trot it out at parties when I want attention, but for you, Sideways, I'll make an exception.
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I absolutely agree with you Ice. I actually have a friend who has *kinda* told me stories of being raped, and I find it hard to believe. And that really saddens me, that society has made us believe that most rape stories are cases of cry wolf.
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For cases where the girl(or boy) is caught, flat out lying about being raped, they should be slapped with a felony lawsuit. Maybe if that happens a couple times, people will think twice about making this shit up and we can concentrate on the real rape cases.
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| Ice2SeeYou wrote: |
A few thoughts:
-How does an 8 year old even know what rape is? |
that was my first thought as well.
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This thread got really retarded, really fast. If you guys can't not be retarded, I'll delete it.
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I think there are some valid points about Rape here. And, not just the OP's new story.
I too have noticed that far too many girls seem to have rape stories about thier youth. I do not wish to downplay rape. Rape to me, is in many ways, a worse crime then murder. But, the issue is why pull the rape card for sympathy?
If you were in fact raped, then you have my deepest condolences. However, if you have not, and claimed you were? Why would you do that?
One my friend's ex-girlfriends recently showed up at his parents house, claiming she had been raped the night prior and needed a place to stay where she felt safe. The parents welcomed her to stay, and a month later she is still there.
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She stated that she was drunk and hitched a ride that night. Three guys in a car picked her up, and then took her to an empty parking lot and raped her. She said she didn't want to go to the police because she didn't know if she could properly indentify them. When asked if she went to the hospitol to get checked out, and have a rape kit done, she said she didn't. She just went home and took a shower. When asked if she still had the clothes she was wearing that night, she said she threw them away because they were reminders of what had happened and she didn't want them in her house.
There is always a chance she is telling the truth. However, she didn't have a rape kit done, and she threw away/destroyed any and all evidence that could prove she was raped. Seems a bit too fishy to me and most of our friends.
Can a woman please explain this from a female point of view?
(And, if age is an important factor, she is 30.)
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| This thread got really retarded, really fast. If you guys can't not be retarded, I'll delete it. |
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I think what's making it 'retarded' is the fact that generalities are being thrown around, which happens all the time, of course, but it seems very insensitive when it comes to the subject of rape. I'd reel it in a bit, guys. Just because you've heard of a story where a woman might be lying about being raped, doesn't mean that everyone should assume first that a woman is lying. Rape can take many different forms. It doesn't have to be an overly violent, aggressive act. Some times it really is as simple as a woman losing control of her faculties a bit, and a man taking advantage of that. After the episode a woman may look back and think that she really didn't want to have the encounter, though it would be tough to prove it as 'rape'. Many times victims feel it's their own fault and that they deserved it on some level, or it's just extremely embarrasing, so they don't want to go through the bullshit of having what happened out in the open. It's obviously not something pleasant to talk about.
And think about it, look at the reactions here. When a woman does come out what does she get? A bunch of eye rolls and doubtful looks. A lot of times it's just easier to keep your mouth shut. Then, a few years pass and it's taken it's toll emotionally and it has to come out.
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I think what's making it 'retarded' is the fact that generalities are being thrown around, which happens all the time, of course, but it seems very insensitive when it comes to the subject of rape. I'd reel it in a bit, guys. Just because you've heard of a story where a woman might be lying about being raped, doesn't mean that everyone should assume first that a woman is lying. Rape can take many different forms. It doesn't have to be an overly violent, aggressive act. Some times it really is as simple as a woman losing control of her faculties a bit, and a man taking advantage of that. After the episode a woman may look back and think that she really didn't want to have the encounter, though it would be tough to prove it as 'rape'. Many times victims feel it's their own fault and that they deserved it on some level, or it's just extremely embarrasing, so they don't want to go through the bullshit of having what happened out in the open. It's obviously not something pleasant to talk about.
And think about it, look at the reactions here. When a woman does come out what does she get? A bunch of eye rolls and doubtful looks. A lot of times it's just easier to keep your mouth shut. Then, a few years pass and it's taken it's toll emotionally and it has to come out. |
I fully understand all that. In no way did I mean to belittle or cheapen the suffering that a true rape victim goes through. I believe that any man who would rape a woman forcefully, or by taking advantage of her in some other way, is the lowest form of scum.
But I also believe it's equally damaging to rape victims when false accusations are made. You've got the Kobe Bryant case, and the Duke Lacrosse team thing of a few years ago, both of which turned out to be trashy women seeking a meal ticket (did Jesse Jackson ever wind up paying for the latter woman's college tuition, as promised?)
I guess it's somewhat of a cycle.....women don't want to come forward or act evasively after being victimized because they don't want to be accused of lying. But that exact behavior causes people to question their story.
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I don't think it's a rape thing, Knyte. Plenty of people of both sexes concoct all kind of bullshit stories in order to gain sympathy and/or pats on the back. Rape just happens to be one of the most serious crimes out there as you noted, and can pretty easily ruin the life of the person falsely accused, so its a lot more serious when someone makes up that kind of accusation. That's all.
I will say that, as much as a false accusation can fuck up a guy's life, there is a *lot* of stigma attached to a woman who accuses said guy of rape, too. It's never happened to me thank god, but I have watched the fallout from the sidelines. And based on what I've seen, I'm not all that certain I'd want to report it either. Exhibit A would be that a lot of the attitudes expressed in this thread are held by a LOT of people, guys and girls, out there. Not PLEASE please please understand I am in NO way passing judgment or looking down on anything that anyone has said. Seriously. Understand that before I go any further. We cool? Good.
Most rape (and therefore rape victims) you're going to come across aren't the kind you see in the movies, where some big, scary stranger forces the poor innocent victim into an alley and then has his way with her. Its much more often a situation like the one Knyte describes. (Or, worse yet, the aggressor is a friend or relative. I don't have the statistics at my fingertips, but I do know for a fact that, in the same way you're much more likely to be murdered by a family member or someone you know, a girl (or guy, but we all know it usually a girl) is far more likely to be raped by a family member or someone she knows.)
So lets think about this from her point of view. You've just been gang raped by three guys because you were drunk and stupid. Do you go to the cops? You could, but then you're going to be subjected to all kinds of absolutely humiliating questions and medical exams that will, in all likelihood, do nothing to help catch the guys who did this to you. Then the cops will probably interview plenty of people you know--especially whatever friends you were out with that night--so word is going to get around about what happened. Then you become "that girl who got raped." Are people going to be sympathetic? Sure, some will. But its far more likely that the attitude is going to be, "well you got in the car, you had it coming." "You were drunk. What a stupid thing to do." Or, and this is the worst of all, "bah, she just wants attention. She's probably making it up."
So the choice presented is pretty much subject yourself to public humiliation in the hopes that the people who did this might get caught (in which case they'll either plea bargain, or you'll have to testify at their trial (and Jesus Christ what a nightmare that would be for any rape victim), or you can just shut up about it and go on with your life.
Now, is this scenario the case for every rape victim who goes to the police? No, of course not. But some variation on that theme is certainly a possibility, and when you've been violated and traumatized and aren't thinking terribly straight, the temptation to just try and put it behind you (especially if you didn't know the guys and couldn't identify them anyway) would be very, very strong indeed.
Now Knyte, I have no idea if your friend is making it up or not. Could she be? Absolutely. Do some women make up rape stories in order to get attention, or to get back at a guy whose life they want to fuck up? Without question. The above is just a way I imagine it could have played out, and my theory on why some women might not want to go to the police when something like that happens. Take it for whatever you feel it's worth.
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I appriciate the opinon from the other side of the fence. That's the big question floating around with me and a few others regaring the stituation. It doesn't SEEM true, but there is enough possibility that it COULD be, so without any evidence it's impossible to feel morally right and call them out on it.
However, like I said, she moved in with her ex's parents. He doesn't even live there anymore, and wants nothing to do with her, and hasn't for a very long time. She now lives there rent free, and at most, might help with little shit like doing the dishes, but that's it. My friend's mom is a complete pushover, and so she won't ask her to leave, even though he has been telling his mom that she should tell his ex to "take back her life", get some counseling, and go on with her life.
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I also appreciate all SH had to say on the matter. But her points also drive home the fact of how heinous it is for a person to lie about having been victimized in such a way, which was really my whole point in bringing it up.
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I remember being a kid and showing willies to see millies once with the neighborhood crew, faint memories of silver dollars used as barter somehow as well. Thank God no one was ridiculously stupid enough to cry rape.
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A statistic that kind of brings the whole point home: Numerically speaking, rapes that are unreported are 2 for every 1 that's a false accusation. I'm well aware, like SoldierHawk brought up, that it can be much more victimizing to actually press charges than to try and move on, but there is counseling available to help the woman 'take her life back'. Asking for it is a complete bullshit excuse, as rapes are overwhelmingly NOT motivated by sex, but by power. There is no perfect solution to it all, and on a completely clinical and objective viewpoint, it's just as hard to fault people who resent girls who cry rape because of attention or some mealy-mouthed revenge as it is for girls who've actually been raped, because both DO happen, and I find it naive to outright blast someone who resents girls who falsely cry rape without knowing for sure, because this is EXTREMELY detrimental to those who REALLY get raped. Because you crossed a few attention whores, once someone who has been legitimately raped will also be branded an attention whore in your eyes, because she simply came to you at the wrong time.
Factually speaking, and this is the true kicker, is that most women won't go to the police first, if at all. They usually tell someone they think they can trust. What if you were that person, and you're the victim of a few bogus attention rape stories?
It's a lose-lose situation, and whenever I'm personally confronted with it, I play it completely objectively. For a crime as serious as rape, unless I know for 100% certain that it's bullshit, I'm equally sympathetic with them, because you really never know.
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Mang, fuck that bitch.
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