SydLexia.com Forum Index
"Stay awhile. Stay... FOREVER!"

  [Edit Profile]  [Search]  [Memberlist]  [Usergroups]  [FAQ]  [Register]
[Who's Online]  [Log in to check your private messages]  [Log in]
Shoddy Battle (pokemon online)


Reply to topic
Author Message
Spanish Meatloaf
Title: Denim Clad Road Warrior
Joined: Feb 24 2010
Location: Olympia, WA
PostPosted: Aug 11 2010 10:16 pm Reply with quote Back to top

made topic lowercase to please lordsathien

If this was discussed in the pokemon thread I apologize, I searched for it and found nothing.

SHODDY BATTLE! I could not let you guys not know about this.

shoddy battle is the best (and only sanctioned) pokemon battle online game.
It brings all the best of strategy and math into pokemon and I fucking love it.

click-DOWNLOAD HERE

SMOGON UNIVERSITY is where you want to be...
We should set up a Sydlexia.com tournament there!

EXPLANATION:
In shoddy battle there are three tiers; UU, OU, and Ubers.

UU: pokemon like skitty and stuff
OU: The best of the tiers, pokemon with base stats 600 or less are here.
Ubers: The legendaries and pokemon that were too cheap to be in OU (ie. garchomp)

I would recommend OU for first time players,
even if you've played pokemon for 100 years you will get your ass kicked on shoddy

these are the pokemon banned in OU:
Arceus
Darkrai
Deoxys
Deoxys-e
Deoxys-f
Deoxys-l
Dialga
Garchomp
Giratina
Giratina-o
Groudon
Ho-oh
Kyogre
Latias
Latios
Lugia
Manaphy
Mew
Mewtwo
Palkia
Rayquaza
Salamence
Shaymin-s
Wobbuffet
Wynaut

there are also several clauses such as the...
SPECIES CLAUSE: Your team can't have more than one of the same pokemon
SOUL DEW CLAUSE: The Item soul dew is banned
TIME BATTLE: So people can't just sit there and make you rage quit
EVASION CLAUSE: you can't use evasion upping moves to become almost invincible

These clauses are turned on in the basic match making function of the game,
however if you challenge someone you can turn the various clauses on or off.

ALSO: Quick Claw is outright banned. Think about it, it's just cheap and it makes the speed stat pointless.

DOWNLOAD THE GAME! HAVE TONS OF FUN! DISCUSS TEAMS YOU BUILT!


Image
 
View user's profileSend private message
SteelBallRun
Title: Kenka Bancho
Joined: May 05 2010
PostPosted: Aug 12 2010 01:31 am Reply with quote Back to top

Some things that seem odd.

- Salamence and Garchomp are allowed in virtually every other tournament out there including Nintendo's own world tournament.

- What limits are set on evasion boost? With the nature of the battles revolving around maximizing on 1 shotting opposing pokemon, how often is this going to be an issue? Not one professional match I've watched featured a strategy based around building up massive evasion.

-Quick Claw happens at random. Banning an item over what amounts to a coin flip seems like a crybaby clause from somebody that had their Crobat get smoked by a Quick Claw-aided Rock Slide.

Shoddy Battle doesn't function on Mac last I checked, otherwise I think it would be fun to play in something like this.
View user's profileSend private message
Spanish Meatloaf
Title: Denim Clad Road Warrior
Joined: Feb 24 2010
Location: Olympia, WA
PostPosted: Aug 12 2010 01:48 am Reply with quote Back to top

SteelBallRun wrote:
Some things that seem odd.

- Salamence and Garchomp are allowed in virtually every other tournament out there including Nintendo's own world tournament.

- What limits are set on evasion boost? With the nature of the battles revolving around maximizing on 1 shotting opposing pokemon, how often is this going to be an issue? Not one professional match I've watched featured a strategy based around building up massive evasion.

-Quick Claw happens at random. Banning an item over what amounts to a coin flip seems like a crybaby clause from somebody that had their Crobat get smoked by a Quick Claw-aided Rock Slide.

Shoddy Battle doesn't function on Mac last I checked, otherwise I think it would be fun to play in something like this.


All of the other tounaments are extremely unbalanced, trust me, pokemon (DS) online isn't that fun.
Shoddy battle vets would destroy professional players. Evasion with baton pass could be invincible.
Quck Claw is that big of a deal. Just play shoddy for a bit. You will find out so much more about pokemon than you ever thought was out there.


Image
 
View user's profileSend private message
nihilisticglee
Joined: Oct 12 2007
PostPosted: Aug 12 2010 03:00 am Reply with quote Back to top

SteelBallRun wrote:
Salamence and Garchomp are allowed in virtually every other tournament out there including Nintendo's own world tournament.


It actually depends on the server you are on if these two are banned or not.

Most servers ban Garchomp because SD Garchomp is crazy hard to revenge kill, especially with Sandstorm up, and nothing likes taking a 2+ Outrage.

Less servers ban Mence, but for those that do, it is because he was deemed to centralizing to the metagame. Many players argued that he forced teams to use two or more steel types, and pending on the set could be threatening towards all styles of play.

In addition, Latias (without Soul Dew, those that do carry Soul Dew are banned on all servers) is banned on some servers and not on others. Those that ban her say she is too centralizing like Mence, because she can play the part of a powerful sweeper (Choice Specs or Calm Mind), revenge killer (Choice Scarf), or Support

Personally, I think Garchomp should be banned, while Mence and Latias should be allowed, but I don't run a server.

Quote:
What limits are set on evasion boost? With the nature of the battles revolving around maximizing on 1 shotting opposing pokemon, how often is this going to be an issue? Not one professional match I've watched featured a strategy based around building up massive evasion.


Most people play with an assumed evasion clause. This also ties into your next question.

Quote:
Quick Claw happens at random. Banning an item over what amounts to a coin flip seems like a crybaby clause from somebody that had their Crobat get smoked by a Quick Claw-aided Rock Slide.


Most of the top tier players try to minimize the amount of luck involved in a match. It is why people get so frustrated over things like Fire Blast missing at a key time, or Gengar critting at just the right time, or Jirachi wrecking people Iron Head and its 60% flinch rate.

Quote:
Shoddy Battle doesn't function on Mac last I checked, otherwise I think it would be fun to play in something like this.


See the FAQ

Also, there is a lot more to tier than what SM went into.
According to Smogon, currently thought of as the best competitive pokemon site out there, there are five tiers:
NU
UU
BL
OU
Uber
Technically, BL and Uber aren't even really tiers, just a place pokemon deemed too damaging to their respective tiers go. Furthermore, you can use pokemon from lower tiers in the higher ones, it just doesn't make sense too most of the time.

NU is a tier filled with pokemon people basically don't use for whatever reason. Sometimes you will see a Nidoqueen or something pop up in standard play, but it is so infrequent that they are often disregarded when one is thinking about building a team.

UU is a tier for pokemon who see usage more often than those in NU, but not seen enough to make it to the high tiers of play. Pokemon in this tier are popular enough for pokemon to host tournaments and such using pokemon only from this tier and below.

BL or Borderline is the tier where pokemon who don't seen enough usage, but are just too centralizing to be in UU go. A good example would be Cresselia, who dropped out of favor early this year because of all the Bug, Dark, and Ghost moves flying around OU, but was disrupting the UU metagame when everyone and their mother started using her within the tier.

OU tends to be the standard tier. Pokemon from here are seen the most often, and tend to be were they are for good reason.

Uber is the tier where everything just too powerful goes. Pokemon like Palkia go up there because they can destroy teams without any set up, while pokemon like Manaphy end up there do to how little set up they need in order to single handedly win games, and pokemon like Lugia end up there because of their awe inspiring support skills.
View user's profileSend private message
Display posts from previous:      
Reply to topic

 
 Jump to: