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Syd Lexia
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13 years of Labour Party rule ended today in Britain, with Gordon Brown resigning and Conservative David Cameron becoming the Prime Minister. The Conservatives do not have enough seats to control Parliament, so a deal was reached with minority Liberal Party to allow this to happen.
I, admittedly, do not know much about British politics, but I know that Margaret Thatcher's Conservative Party was heavily aligned with Reagan, with the Labour Party traditionally being more liberal. In the wake of 9/11, Prime Minister Tony Blair shifted the Labour Party's policies and aligned himself with George Bush, paving the way for his eventual successor's inevitable defeat.
It will be interesting to see how this effects Britain's policies and world politics. I'd like to see a philosophical return the golden era of Reagan/Thatcher conservatism, but I don't see that happening. Politics are product of their time.
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Blackout
Title: Captain Oblivious
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All I know is they have the occasional fist fight, which is awesome.
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BlazingGlory
Title: KANE LIVES IN DEATH!
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Blackout wrote: |
All I know is they have the occasional fist fight, which is awesome. |
Yeah, well our Senators used to CANE the people they disagreed with :
(I am aware there is more to the Charles Sumner incident, but couldn't help but bring it up)
Also Syd, as you said, I wouldn't hope to much on a return to the Thatcher era conservativism.
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Pandajuice
Title: The Power of Grayskull
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Unfortunately, it's been a pretty big deal here and I haven't been able to avoid the basics of all of this so I'll try to explain a bit more in detail if anyone cares.
Basically the Labour party is far left socialist while the Conservative party is equivilent to our Republican party. The piggie in the middle throughout the last few days has been the Liberal Democrat party (equivalent to our Democrat party) because they won 58 seats of Parliament and neither of the other parties got an overall majority of seats for it to be a clear government (Tories got 306 while Labour got 258 I think where the majority is 326). So both parties needed an alliance with the Lib Dems to win basically.
It's a pretty bizarre system I must say where a party can get 10% more of the popular vote, have more seats (basically electoral votes in the US system), and still not be the winner. Also the country is voting for a party, not for a particular leader so the party can appoint anyone they want to as Prime Minister.
Anyway that's what's been going on the last few days. Labour and Conservatives were fighting over the Lib Dems trying to get them to join with their party so they could win. As I said before, Labour is far left, and the Lib Dems are left liberals as well so it's kind of strange that they chose to align with the Conservatives at the end of the day. The word is that Labour never seriously entertained any kind of deal because they want either all power or none.
Tony Blair playing kissy with Bush didn't cause the downfall of Gordon Brown and Labour Syd. Browns insanely socialist views and scandals over the last few years are what defeated them. Labour has changed the way counties are divided in order to manipulate future votes, there's been a recent scandal that's come out where evidence was found of Labour allowing as many immigrants as possible into the country and giving them jobs in order to push conservative English people out so as to more easily secure future votes so they might be in power forever, and Labour's obsession with giving as much money to the EU for nothing in return; most recently bailing out Greece no matter the consequence to the British economy.
That kind of stuff is why Labour was ousted (even though their manipulations like I mentioned above, and them turning away voters during the election made it a daunting task) and it's a good step toward Britain getting back on her feet. This country is really in a mess after the last 13 years, especially when it comes to immigration. If anyone really thinks Obama is a socialist and that American politics sucks, I implore you to look across the pond at the Labour party and the damage they did and you'll find we don't even come close in the US.
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Ice2SeeYou
Title: Sexual Tyrannosaurus
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Blackout wrote: |
All I know is they have the occasional fist fight, which is awesome. |
Pfft......Dick Cheyney shot a guy in the face.
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JStrangiato
Title: El Hombre Strangiato
Joined: Jun 12 2007
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Ice2SeeYou wrote: |
Blackout wrote: |
All I know is they have the occasional fist fight, which is awesome. |
Pfft......Dick Cheyney shot a guy in the face. |
The funny thing is that I actually know the guy that Dick Cheney shot. My mom worked for Harry Whittington, so when that happened we were all pretty stunned. It was so surreal seeing him on the news, and having the Daily Show talk about it, etc. It was hella weird.
And in case anyone was wondering, yes, I have used this factoid to try and pick up women, and no, it's never successful.
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Syd Lexia
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Pandajuice wrote: |
Tony Blair playing kissy with Bush didn't cause the downfall of Gordon Brown and Labour Syd. Browns insanely socialist views and scandals over the last few years are what defeated them. Labour has changed the way counties are divided in order to manipulate future votes, there's been a recent scandal that's come out where evidence was found of Labour allowing as many immigrants as possible into the country and giving them jobs in order to push conservative English people out so as to more easily secure future votes so they might be in power forever, and Labour's obsession with giving as much money to the EU for nothing in return; most recently bailing out Greece no matter the consequence to the British economy. |
My understanding had been that Blair more or less handpicked Brown as his successor, and that Blair, having been unpopular at the time of his resignation, basically handed his unpopularity to Brown. I stand corrected.
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sidewaydriver
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I voted for Mr. Bean.
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Alowishus
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Pandajuice wrote: |
Unfortunately, it's been a pretty big deal here and I haven't been able to avoid the basics of all of this so I'll try to explain a bit more in detail if anyone cares.
Basically the Labour party is far left socialist while the Conservative party is equivilent to our Republican party. The piggie in the middle throughout the last few days has been the Liberal Democrat party (equivalent to our Democrat party) because they won 58 seats of Parliament and neither of the other parties got an overall majority of seats for it to be a clear government (Tories got 306 while Labour got 258 I think where the majority is 326). So both parties needed an alliance with the Lib Dems to win basically.
It's a pretty bizarre system I must say where a party can get 10% more of the popular vote, have more seats (basically electoral votes in the US system), and still not be the winner. Also the country is voting for a party, not for a particular leader so the party can appoint anyone they want to as Prime Minister.
Anyway that's what's been going on the last few days. Labour and Conservatives were fighting over the Lib Dems trying to get them to join with their party so they could win. As I said before, Labour is far left, and the Lib Dems are left liberals as well so it's kind of strange that they chose to align with the Conservatives at the end of the day. The word is that Labour never seriously entertained any kind of deal because they want either all power or none.
Tony Blair playing kissy with Bush didn't cause the downfall of Gordon Brown and Labour Syd. Browns insanely socialist views and scandals over the last few years are what defeated them. Labour has changed the way counties are divided in order to manipulate future votes, there's been a recent scandal that's come out where evidence was found of Labour allowing as many immigrants as possible into the country and giving them jobs in order to push conservative English people out so as to more easily secure future votes so they might be in power forever, and Labour's obsession with giving as much money to the EU for nothing in return; most recently bailing out Greece no matter the consequence to the British economy.
That kind of stuff is why Labour was ousted (even though their manipulations like I mentioned above, and them turning away voters during the election made it a daunting task) and it's a good step toward Britain getting back on her feet. This country is really in a mess after the last 13 years, especially when it comes to immigration. If anyone really thinks Obama is a socialist and that American politics sucks, I implore you to look across the pond at the Labour party and the damage they did and you'll find we don't even come close in the US. |
I am so pissed that Cameron is the prime minister.
On saying that since i live in N.I. i could not vote for any parties that were significant i.e. Labour, Conservative, Lib Dem.
You may have heard about us here, DUP won a good number of seats, Sinn Fein a few, SDLP a few i think, Alliance won one seat - that's who i voted for but they didn't win in my constituency.
This dick here won:
http://www.nigeldodds.co.uk/
He doesn't even live in North Belfast - he's in charge of here and doesn't live here.. real fucking good job community of North Belfast.
On saying that although the parties here do have slight allegiance to labour or conservative it's complicated.
Sinn Fein won seats but because they want a united Ireland they won't go and sit in Westminster i.e. they are anti - United Kingdom.
DUP are pro United Kingdom though that's not why i hate them. Them and the Ulster Unionists are clutching to old beliefs. Like in their legislation they said they are against green laws/energy because it's based on "dubious science" i don't want these fucking morons running my country. They also wouldn't set up an environmental agency for NI because of this.
Voting here is very based on religious reasons especially after the troubles, though i won't mention much on it as I'm sure it is against the rules.
On saying that i would have preferred if Labour had won.
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JRA
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enshinkarateman wrote: |
Ice2SeeYou wrote: |
Blackout wrote: |
All I know is they have the occasional fist fight, which is awesome. |
Pfft......Dick Cheyney shot a guy in the face. |
The funny thing is that I actually know the guy that Dick Cheney shot. My mom worked for Harry Whittington, so when that happened we were all pretty stunned. It was so surreal seeing him on the news, and having the Daily Show talk about it, etc. It was hella weird.
And in case anyone was wondering, yes, I have used this factoid to try and pick up women, and no, it's never successful.  |
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 There are a lot of what if's in life Donny. What if I hit you really hard in the face, knocked yo shit to the back of yo skull? What if I....had you girl gargle my nuts? The fact remains, you are a fuckin mutant. |
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