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This Is Not Good...Huge Net Neutrality Decision


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IceWarm
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PostPosted: Apr 06 2010 03:54 pm Reply with quote Back to top

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/FCC-loses-key-ruling-on-apf-78990100.html?x=0

I wonder if Comcast will start blocking BitTorrent again or even possibly block Netflix. I've noticed many times Comcast degrading my Netflix instant watch movies. They make it so you are not getting the full experience from watching a Netflix movie.

From the article:
"Companies selling Internet access are free to play favorites with content on their networks, to throttle certain applications or simply to block others."

This is not good if they decide to block Netflix because I watxh a ton of movies through the streaming portion of their site and on Xbox 360.


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PostPosted: Apr 06 2010 04:02 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I guess it remains to be seen how much the cable companies will use this ruling to throw their weight around. But perhaps it could generate competition amongst ISP's? If Comcast limits customers' ability to use Netflix, Verizon could use that as a selling point by not limiting Netflix at all.

I don't want to see the ISP's have unlimited power to sink certain types of websites, but since I don't download anything illegally, I honestly don't have much sympathy or care much if sites like Bittorrent get phased out by this ruling.


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PostPosted: Apr 06 2010 04:02 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Comcast can only block stuff if everyone else is blocking it too. If they block Hulu and Netflix, but no one else does, everyone will switch to Verizon.
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PostPosted: Apr 06 2010 04:06 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Good thing these dumbasses aren't in New York City.


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PostPosted: Apr 06 2010 04:28 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
Comcast can only block stuff if everyone else is blocking it too. If they block Hulu and Netflix, but no one else does, everyone will switch to Verizon.

Lets be honest, most people won't notice what is happening until something they care about doesn't work.

By that time, most of the companies will have played sides and bandwidth will be unevenly distributed uniquely to each major ISP.

Bring it on I say, all you fucking ISPs are going to get your asses handed to you when Google, towns, and universities start to give you the finger and opt out of your shenanigans.

I give cable companies two to three years before they get bitch slapped by their customers.



 
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PostPosted: Apr 06 2010 04:32 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Things will get ugly if companies start blocking anything other than P2P.

Comcast owns the struggling NBC network, for example. Every other ISP could block NBC-related websites and further drive the nail into NBC's coffin if they so desired.
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PostPosted: Apr 06 2010 04:33 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Google's already taking the first steps at stomping out the cable companies:

Think big with a gig: Our experimental fiber network

2/10/2010 08:00:00 AM
Imagine sitting in a rural health clinic, streaming three-dimensional medical imaging over the web and discussing a unique condition with a specialist in New York. Or downloading a high-definition, full-length feature film in less than five minutes. Or collaborating with classmates around the world while watching live 3-D video of a university lecture. Universal, ultra high-speed Internet access will make all this and more possible. We've urged the FCC to look at new and creative ways to get there in its National Broadband Plan – and today we're announcing an experiment of our own.

We're planning to build and test ultra high-speed broadband networks in a small number of trial locations across the United States. We'll deliver Internet speeds more than 100 times faster than what most Americans have access to today with 1 gigabit per second, fiber-to-the-home connections. We plan to offer service at a competitive price to at least 50,000 and potentially up to 500,000 people.

Our goal is to experiment with new ways to help make Internet access better and faster for everyone. Here are some specific things that we have in mind:

Next generation apps: We want to see what developers and users can do with ultra high-speeds, whether it's creating new bandwidth-intensive "killer apps" and services, or other uses we can't yet imagine.

New deployment techniques: We'll test new ways to build fiber networks, and to help inform and support deployments elsewhere, we'll share key lessons learned with the world.

Openness and choice: We'll operate an "open access" network, giving users the choice of multiple service providers. And consistent with our past advocacy, we'll manage our network in an open, non-discriminatory and transparent way.

Like our WiFi network in Mountain View, the purpose of this project is to experiment and learn. Network providers are making real progress to expand and improve high-speed Internet access, but there's still more to be done. We don't think we have all the answers – but through our trial, we hope to make a meaningful contribution to the shared goal of delivering faster and better Internet for everyone.

Also, did you catch this bit in the OP's article link:

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With so much at stake, the FCC now has several options. It could ask Congress to give it explicit authority to regulate broadband. Or it could appeal Tuesday's decision.

But both of those steps could take too long because the agency "has too many important things they have to do right away," said Ben Scott, policy director for the public interest group Free Press. Free Press was among the groups that alerted the FCC to Comcast's behavior after The Associated Press ran tests and reported that the cable company was interfering with attempts by some subscribers to share files online.

The more likely scenario, Scott believes, is that the agency will simply reclassify broadband as a more heavily regulated telecommunications service. That, ironically, could be the worst-case outcome from the perspective of the phone and cable companies.

"Comcast swung an ax at the FCC to protest the BitTorrent order," Scott said. "And they sliced right through the FCC's arm and plunged the ax into their own back."
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PostPosted: Apr 06 2010 05:02 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The sad thing is that most Asia Countries have faster internet then us. Like MUCH faster, and more competition in the market. I don't get why we do things so ass backwards.


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PostPosted: Apr 06 2010 05:10 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Maybe it's just me, but once you've got broadband I don't see why the internet needs to be that much faster. Unless it's referring to downloading really huge files, which I rarely do, so I guess that's probably it.

What I want is faster computers. It shouldn't take 3 minutes from the time I power on the computer to the time where I can press a button and get an effect.


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PostPosted: Apr 06 2010 05:16 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Well you don't see the need now but as time progresses things are going to get bigger. Quality is going to get better. Do you wanna wait 10 minutes for a 2 minute HD video to load? Do you wanna spend hours loading Youtube videos? Things can always be faster, and until it is instantaneous like your computer issue consumers are going to complain.

I bought my laptop 2 years ago and it boots up in about 30 seconds. Do I care it takes that long? Not really because I'm used to it taking 3 minutes in the past. Will I dislike it if it's faster? Absolutely not. Same difference.


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PostPosted: Apr 06 2010 05:18 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Douche McCallister wrote:
Well you don't see the need now but as time progresses things are going to get bigger. Quality is going to get better. Do you wanna wait 10 minutes for a 2 minute HD video to load? Do you wanna spend hours loading Youtube videos? Things can always be faster, and until it is instantaneous like your computer issue consumers are going to complain.

I bought my laptop 2 years ago and it boots up in about 30 seconds. Do I care it takes that long? Not really because I'm used to it taking 3 minutes in the past. Will I dislike it if it's faster? Absolutely not. Same difference.

Yea I see that point. Now that I think about it, Microsoft won't like this decision as they seem to be embracing the "download only" format for Xbox 360 games (as a means of getting around the lack of Blu-Ray capability).


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PostPosted: Apr 06 2010 06:41 pm Reply with quote Back to top

It took longer for the avatars and signatures to load than it did for me to read the majority of this thread. Laughing



 
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PostPosted: Apr 06 2010 06:45 pm Reply with quote Back to top

yeah, and so many other countries have faster connections, and cheaper too
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/03/31/broadband.south.korea/index.html?hpt=C1


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PostPosted: Apr 06 2010 08:19 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Well, Google might have fucked YouTube up majorly, but between this and their stand in China, I say god bless 'em.


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PostPosted: Apr 06 2010 08:52 pm Reply with quote Back to top

...did people catch this part?

The article in question wrote:
Scott believes that the likeliest step by the FCC is that it will simply reclassify broadband as a more heavily regulated telecommunications service. That, ironically, could be the worst-case outcome from the perspective of the phone and cable companies.

"Comcast swung an ax at the FCC to protest the BitTorrent order," Scott said. "And they sliced right through the FCC's arm and plunged the ax into their own back."


This isn't that big of a deal in the long run. The court simply ruled that the FCC was doing things outside it's scope based on the rules it set down itself. All it needs to do is change those rules.

Net neutrality is funny to me...it's an issue where I can completely understand the point of view of the cable companies, think they're right, and yet still think that they have the wrong position.
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PostPosted: Apr 06 2010 09:00 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled that the FCC lacks authority to require broadband providers to give equal treatment to all Internet traffic flowing over their networks.


yet it still rules that the FCC has authority to decide that radio and television are the only two places not protected by free speech?

Time to start the bloody revolution! With torches, pitchforks, bombs, and lots and lots and lots of executive child rape.


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PostPosted: Apr 06 2010 09:43 pm Reply with quote Back to top

JRA wrote:
yet it still rules that the FCC has authority to decide that radio and television are the only two places not protected by free speech?

I have never seen the FCC crack down on anyone expressing a public opinion against the government.

"Free speech" does not mean "you can say whatever you want to". And it has never, ever, ever included obscene material.
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PostPosted: Apr 07 2010 12:29 am Reply with quote Back to top

Instead of attacking the ISP's to get rid of torrents and other piracy means attack the hosts of the illegal content, not the people who provide access to such things



 
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PostPosted: Apr 07 2010 12:34 am Reply with quote Back to top

Hacker wrote:
Instead of attacking the ISP's to get rid of torrents and other piracy measures attack the hosts of the illegal content, not the people who provide access to such things

Oftentimes, the hosts are either untraceable, or foreign. So they can't go after them.

The issue is a lot bigger than piracy, though. Bittorrent's distribution method, for example, is a pretty big threat to Comcast.
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PostPosted: Apr 07 2010 12:39 am Reply with quote Back to top

UsaSatsui wrote:
Hacker wrote:
Instead of attacking the ISP's to get rid of torrents and other piracy measures attack the hosts of the illegal content, not the people who provide access to such things

Oftentimes, the hosts are either untraceable, or foreign. So they can't go after them.

The issue is a lot bigger than piracy, though. Bittorrent's distribution method, for example, is a pretty big threat to Comcast.

Then I can see why they would want to block piracy applications and sites that exist to solely distribute illegal things, but being able block any application they deem useless is pretty damn stupid.



 
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