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LCD HDTv problem with videogames


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Berserk007
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PostPosted: Mar 02 2010 12:56 am Reply with quote Back to top

I recently purchased 2 40" Samsung LCD HDTV 1080p 120hz etc, etc and when I attempt to play games on it whether the 360 or PS3 I get some quite unique and quite annoying results. This will be somewhat hard to explain, but I will try.


Games on both systems "Flare and Focus" with camera movement. Imagine a plant in a game. When you look at it and head on it is fine, however any movement in the game causes a constant shift in brightness , then after the movement stops it focuses back down to normal. This is the most annoying problem I am facing and it is most apparent on the Ps3. but it appears on the 360 as well I noticed it a lot in Bio-shock 2 and Mass Effect 2.


Now I know the usual suggestions: Did you check your system settings? Have you tried a different HDMi cable? Have you tried another TV?Have you tried different Internal Tv tweaks? Have you tried different systems? The answer to all of these is yes.


So Long story short I brought my game systems into Best Buy and after testing 8 different similar TV's that all had the exact same problem, and one plasma which didn't , 2 employees and a manager were dumbfounded as to what is actually causing the problem. Then when we were all about to give up one of them suggested trying them on a calibrated TV, and you know what? It worked.


So now I have to spend an additional $300 and wait a month before I can get a guy here to calibrate this by replacing a chip inside the actual unit. While I am happy to finally have this resolved I am left with one question...... Why the FUCK do they not come calibrated enough to display these games properly!! These are not old ps2 games I am trying to run on a HDTV and frankly there is no excuse for these games not to be visually playable on any TV past 1992, it is lazy workmanship at it's finest and the sad thing is, it's not just one company....it's all of them.


So if you are a gamer and you are planning to buy a new TV (Plasma or otherwise) now or in the Future, trust me when I say save yourself a headache and take your system to the retailer and find out what they are going to look like before you buy.


I Troubleshooted this situation all to hell, 2 systems, about 8 different TV's, multiple HDMI cables, 3 techies, same problem, no help other than a $300 Solution. If anyone has a similar or related story /situation please post.


Thanks


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PostPosted: Mar 02 2010 01:02 am Reply with quote Back to top

wow. that sucks man

but thanks for the heads up


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Berserk007
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PostPosted: Mar 08 2010 01:23 am Reply with quote Back to top

A small update: After the calibration the same problem was very apparent. So I guess this is just a inherent problem with LCD TV's ( I still have no clue why my system test looked decent on the calibrated LCD in the store). So I just picked up a plasma, and it works fine with everything I throw at it. I am still utterly confused by this whole mess. If any of you have a 1080p LCD that works with modern game systems and produces no motion blur or distortion I would sure like to hear about it.


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PostPosted: Mar 08 2010 02:28 am Reply with quote Back to top

What a goddamn headache!
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Grover
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PostPosted: Mar 08 2010 02:33 am Reply with quote Back to top

I've got a Sony Bravia 1080p and I have zero issues with either Xbox 360 or PS3. I haven't tried BioShock 2 or ME2, but I've played countless hours of COD4 and MW2, Fable 2 and Fallout 3 and never had any of the issues you mentioned.

Does your TV have any color dynamics, Flourish or Super White settings? I don't think the xbox has settings for this, but the PS3 does. Have you tried turning off super white or playing with the color settings on the PS3 itself?

It sounds like the response time issues that older LCD's used to have, but I can only assume a 120hz display shouldn't have these issues. A 5ms response time should basically negate ghosting or motion blur.
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PostPosted: Mar 08 2010 02:45 am Reply with quote Back to top

I also have a sony bravia, as well as an HP lcd monitor, and a vizio. all three with a standard 60hz refresh rate, and I've not noticed anyhting as bad as you're mentioning.


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PostPosted: Mar 08 2010 02:47 am Reply with quote Back to top

LCDs suck for gaming.

I have an HDTV THAT has a CRT tube. NO LAG and it displays at any resolution I tell it to (though text gets fuzzy in HD)

That said the Vizio I play on when I'm not in my apartment is a decent LCD for gaming but it does not display at every resolution imaginable like my tv does
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Berserk007
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PostPosted: Mar 08 2010 03:02 am Reply with quote Back to top

Sorry, I can't give much on the side of specs, the Samsung's have ToC (touch of color), but other than that I cannot really give you much more info spec wise I am unfortunately not as tech savvy as I should be, however after literally cycling through 8 different TV brands, sizes, htz , you would think by dumb luck alone I would have stumbled across one that worked. It's pretty bad when the person calibrating your TV literally says "What the fuck is that, and why is it doing it?" So far I am real happy with the plazma, a little paranoid about burn in images with gaming, but I think as long as I don't leave it blazing for 8 hours in a row I am pretty safe.


I think I am going to reference this as one of those god hates me moments in my life lol

edit: (one weird thing I saw today before returning the TV was weird pixeling / hazing (hard to explain) around moving objects in games and videos.

thank you for the responses


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PostPosted: Mar 08 2010 06:05 am Reply with quote Back to top

Godofhardcore wrote:
LCDs suck for gaming.

I have an HDTV THAT has a CRT tube. NO LAG and it displays at any resolution I tell it to (though text gets fuzzy in HD)

Does the NES Zapper work with that?
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PostPosted: Mar 08 2010 11:45 am Reply with quote Back to top

Never had a problem with my JVC 42" 1080p LCD

Works great with X360, PS3, and PC games.

And, LCD sucks for gaming? Really!?!

Try telling that to the PC gaming crowd.

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PostPosted: Mar 08 2010 12:26 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I've not had any burn-in issues with my Panasonic 50-inch plasma. You'll see a bit of image retention if you play a game with a HUD for a several hours, but it goes away if you watch something else for a little while.


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PostPosted: Mar 08 2010 12:38 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Cathode Ray Tubes aren't capable of outputting in a 1080p resolution.

the signal is probably interlaced, which is causing the fuzzy text.


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PostPosted: Mar 08 2010 01:24 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I use a LCD for my pc. Actually I have this weird problem with colors and resolution while playing Starcraft. Its either my video card or my tv.
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PostPosted: Mar 08 2010 01:28 pm Reply with quote Back to top

We have a 1080i Sony something or other. I noticed the same thing but that was without any HDMi cables(not my t.v. so I didn't want to pay for a cable I'd use like 10 times a year) so I just figured that's what it would be like in non-HD as non-HD channels look worse on the LCD than they do on the tube.

I'll probably just not bother buying a cable now until we get another T.V., don't want to buy the thing and have my games suck on the LCD.


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Grover
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PostPosted: Mar 08 2010 01:48 pm Reply with quote Back to top

FNJ wrote:
Cathode Ray Tubes aren't capable of outputting in a 1080p resolution.

the signal is probably interlaced, which is causing the fuzzy text.


Actually there are a few 1080p CRT TV's, and a huge amount of CRT computer monitors that can display 1080p and even much higher resolutions.

What causes fuzzy text at the highest resolutions your screens can support is a combination of a few factors including refresh rate, analog signal and the basic nature of how a CRT is made.
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PostPosted: Mar 09 2010 12:17 am Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
Godofhardcore wrote:
LCDs suck for gaming.

I have an HDTV THAT has a CRT tube. NO LAG and it displays at any resolution I tell it to (though text gets fuzzy in HD)

Does the NES Zapper work with that?

Bump, cuz no one answered me. Will the NES Zapper work with an HD CRT?
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Knyte
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PostPosted: Mar 09 2010 12:28 am Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
Syd Lexia wrote:
Godofhardcore wrote:
LCDs suck for gaming.

I have an HDTV THAT has a CRT tube. NO LAG and it displays at any resolution I tell it to (though text gets fuzzy in HD)

Does the NES Zapper work with that?

Bump, cuz no one answered me. Will the NES Zapper work with an HD CRT?

I found a forum were someone stated:
"Turns out that vintage NES zapper gun does not function on my 65" Hitachi RP CRT HD."

Also:
"Note that rear-projection CRTs also don't work. (I've tried using a PS1 and a GunCon on my such HDTV.) It has to be a direct-view CRT"

After more digging:
"hdtv refreshes faster and has more scanlines. sorry. you need a old 480i sdtv for your light gun to work."

So it appears that logically, Zappers only work on Direct CRTs that output 480i 60Hz.
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PostPosted: Mar 09 2010 01:03 am Reply with quote Back to top

I think Nintendo said something similar on its site.

I read that the Zapper works by causing the screen to flash when the trigger is pulled. The screen goes black, then potential targets are represented a white box for one frame, one at a time. The Zapper begins detecting these lights and counts the frames between trigger pull and light detected. This delay is sent to the system which interprets what object was hit, if any. The picture returns to normal when a light is detected by the Zapper or if all targets have been cycled and none were detected. Only CRTs send out this light bright enough to be detected by the Zapper and thus are the only display type supported by it.


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FNJ
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PostPosted: Mar 09 2010 02:13 am Reply with quote Back to top

well doesn't that just suck?


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PostPosted: Mar 09 2010 10:44 am Reply with quote Back to top

As you may remember one of my VGM articles covered light guns for PCs, and there are LCD ones available, so you can properly play classic lightgun games via emulation, you just can't use the NES zapper on an actual NES, if you don't have a CRT TV.

So, final note to classic game collecters:
Along with your piles of consoles and cartridges, you might want to tuck away a 27"-32" CRT TV, before they vanish from stores completely. I know that my local thrft stores have been getting a larger influx of these lately, and nice Sony, Mitsubishi, and JVCs go for $40-$60 in perfect working order.

Ideally you want one that has both a coaxle cable plug. (The one you screw the cord onto) and a set of RCA inputs. (Composite cables: Yellow, Red, White) Then you can play everything from Atari through now.
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PostPosted: Mar 09 2010 10:59 am Reply with quote Back to top

Knyte wrote:

Ideally you want one that has both a coaxle cable plug. (The one you screw the cord onto) and a set of RCA inputs. (Composite cables: Yellow, Red, White) Then you can play everything from Atari through now.

One thing I will absolutely not miss is those damn coaxle cable plugs. Maybe I just had shitty ones, but I would make my fingers raw trying to screw those damn things in, and I could never get a flawless picture.

Die coaxle plugs die.


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Knyte
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PostPosted: Mar 09 2010 11:05 am Reply with quote Back to top

Ice2SeeYou wrote:
Knyte wrote:

Ideally you want one that has both a coaxle cable plug. (The one you screw the cord onto) and a set of RCA inputs. (Composite cables: Yellow, Red, White) Then you can play everything from Atari through now.

One thing I will absolutely not miss is those damn coaxle cable plugs. Maybe I just had shitty ones, but I would make my fingers raw trying to screw those damn things in, and I could never get a flawless picture.

Die coaxle plugs die.

But sadly, you need that port for RF Switches. Otherwise, how are you going to flip that lever to select between "TV" and "Game"?
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PostPosted: Mar 09 2010 11:13 am Reply with quote Back to top

Knyte wrote:
Ice2SeeYou wrote:
Knyte wrote:

Ideally you want one that has both a coaxle cable plug. (The one you screw the cord onto) and a set of RCA inputs. (Composite cables: Yellow, Red, White) Then you can play everything from Atari through now.

One thing I will absolutely not miss is those damn coaxle cable plugs. Maybe I just had shitty ones, but I would make my fingers raw trying to screw those damn things in, and I could never get a flawless picture.

Die coaxle plugs die.

But sadly, you need that port for RF Switches. Otherwise, how are you going to flip that lever to select between "TV" and "Game"?

I know. Just sayin'.....I hate those things.


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PostPosted: Mar 09 2010 11:53 am Reply with quote Back to top

i hated those fucking things. and if you jammed it in wrong, the little needle point thing would get all bent out of shape. and then you had to get pliers to try to straighten it out

lol that sounded dirty


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