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Syd Lexia
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PostPosted: Jan 18 2010 07:17 pm Reply with quote Back to top

What the fuck is the deal with component cables? For the first time in my life, I find myself in ownership of a TV that has component inputs. How do they work? Can I hook up a Gamcube or an older DVD player through them? If so, how?
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PostPosted: Jan 18 2010 07:48 pm Reply with quote Back to top

It's another way to send a video signal, pretty high quality from what I hear. I don't know the exact specifics, but it separates the different colors out and sends a different signal for each color, then puts them together at the TV.

You can hook up a DVD player easy, if it's got a component output. You just plug the cable into the back in the right spot, then into the back of the TV. You still need something to feed the audio, though (if you're familiar with the old RCA cables, it replaces the "yellow" cable).

You can hook up the more modern systems via component (including Gamecube), but you need to find special component cables, or talk to someone who knows more about it.
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PostPosted: Jan 18 2010 08:35 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Actually, only older model gamecubes can use component cables, as newer models don't have the digital AV out port. I found this out the very hard, and very stupid, way. The cables themselves are also a pain to track down at times.


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PostPosted: Jan 18 2010 08:48 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I just checked, my GCN does have the digital AV port.
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PostPosted: Jan 19 2010 08:05 am Reply with quote Back to top

The quality is markedly better than the little yellow RCA and the caax connection. It can transmit HD signals. I believe its basically one step lower in quality from HDMI.


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PostPosted: Jan 19 2010 11:30 am Reply with quote Back to top

Holy fuck, just looked for GCN component cables on Amazon and eBay... they are fucking expensive! Luckily, there are "universal" component cables available for like $18.
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PostPosted: Jan 19 2010 11:42 am Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
Holy fuck, just looked for GCN component cables on Amazon and eBay... they are fucking expensive! Luckily, there are "universal" component cables available for like $18.

Monoprice.com is the cheapest place I've seen to buy cables of all kinds. They're so cheap you wonder how the hell they even make money.

Something interesting I discovered is that my combination DVD/VHS player has both component and composite outputs. (Composite = red/white/yellow). Apparently hooking up just the component cables won't allow the VHS player to work.....it's only compatible with the composite cables. So you've got to take up both a component and composite input on your TV to be able to watch both DVD's and VHS tapes.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong, so feel free to point out my ignorance if that's the case.


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PostPosted: Jan 19 2010 01:40 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Okay here's the rundown:

Composite Cables (Yelow, Red, White) [aka RCA Cables]:
Introduced in the 1950s, they carry an analog signal.
Max Resolutions:
720 x 576i @ 50
720 x 480i @ 59.94
Used for Consumer electronics, including VCR and LaserDisc, 1970-1980s home computers like the Commodore VIC-20, 1980s-1990s video game consoles, some laptops.

Component Cables (Red, Green, Blue and sometimes Red, White):
Introduced in the 1990s, they also carry an alalog signal, but break the video into seperate sources for higer resolution and clarity.
Max Resolutions:
1920×1080 @ 60
1280×720 @ 60
720×480 @ 60
Took the place of Composite Cables in most home electronics. (DVD players, Blu-Rays, Video Game systems, etc.) Also, allows 720p and 1080i HDTV connections.

DVI Cable (Digital Visual Interface):
Introduced in 1999, this carries either analog or a digital video signal. No audio however.
Max Resoultion:
2560 x 1600 @ 60
Standard for PC Video Cards and also included on HDTVs before the HDMI protocal became standard.

High-Definition Multimedia Interface (HDMI):
Digital only, but also carries all digital audio codexs. Also includes High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP). Encryption is mandatory.
Max Resolutions:
2560 x 1600 @ 75
4096 × 2160 @ 24
Now standard for most high end home electronics. (1080p HDTVs, Blu-Ray, some upscaling DVD players. Next-Gen Videogame systems, PC)

There are others such as Display Port and Serial Digital Interface, but the above are all you need to know regarding most Home Entertainment Devices.
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PostPosted: Jan 19 2010 03:01 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Knyte, can you explain S-Video?
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PostPosted: Jan 19 2010 03:17 pm Reply with quote Back to top

S-Video, or Separate Video (Not "Super" Video as commonally nicknamed), is an inbetween of Composite and Component. It does not carry audio and breaks the analog video signal into two sources: luminance & chrominance. Basically Gray-Scale and Color-Scale.

Max Resolutions are same as Composite Cables:
720 x 576i @ 50,
720 x 480i @ 59.94

S-Video is also the second poorest, quality-wise, being far surpassed by the more complex component video schemes, such as RGB. What distinguishes S-Video from these better component-video schemes is that S-Video carries the color information as one signal. This means that the color has to be encoded in some way, and as such, NTSC, PAL, and SECAM signals are all decidedly different through S-Video. Thus, for full compatibility, the connected devices not only have to be S-Video compatible, but also compatible in terms of color encoding. In addition, S-Video suffers from reduced color resolution. NTSC S-Video color resolution is typically 120 lines horizontal (approximately 160 pixels edge-to-edge), versus 250 lines horizontal for the Rec. 601-encoded signal of a DVD, or 30 lines horizontal for standard VCRs.
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PostPosted: Jan 19 2010 07:37 pm Reply with quote Back to top

What about Laser 7 output? Confused



 
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PostPosted: Jan 19 2010 08:47 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I also have to ask Knyte, is there a noticeable difference between component cables and an HDMI cable? If there is, I may have to buy an HDMI cable instead of the component cables I'm currently using. Also! A component cable fun fact! You can make any game look like Mad World by plugging in just the red part of the component cable! Everything will be black and white and only red will show up.
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PostPosted: Jan 19 2010 11:07 pm Reply with quote Back to top

HDMI is more betterer.


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PostPosted: Jan 20 2010 12:33 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Sexton Hardcastle wrote:
I also have to ask Knyte, is there a noticeable difference between component cables and an HDMI cable? If there is, I may have to buy an HDMI cable instead of the component cables I'm currently using. Also! A component cable fun fact! You can make any game look like Mad World by plugging in just the red part of the component cable! Everything will be black and white and only red will show up.

I believe (based on what Knyte said above) that component cables will get you up to 720p or 1080i HD. But HDMI is needed to get 1080p.

My question would be this: Is 720p through component cables the same as 720p through HDMI? Is there any discernable difference?


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PostPosted: Jan 20 2010 02:49 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The only difference the the case of 720p over cables is that the Component is analog and the HDMI is digital. You may or may not notice a difference.

If you have the choice, always go HDMI. One cable for video and sound and all in one cord. Easier to setup. Cleaner looking and easier to work around.

And, don't believe that HDMI cables are expensive, because they aren't. The retail stores like Best Buy and such charge stupidly high prices for them. Get them through local warehouses or onine vendors. www.nwca.com and www.newegg.com are great choices. And, you will notice absolutely no differnece between the $60 Monster cable at bestbuy over the $12 cable through online.

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What about Laser 7 output?

You don't have to worry about that unless you're Cartman.
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PostPosted: Jan 20 2010 03:00 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Knyte wrote:
The only difference the the case of 720p over cables is that the Component is analog and the HDMI is digital. You may or may not notice a difference.

If you have the choice, always go HDMI. One cable for video and sound and all in one cord. Easier to setup. Cleaner looking and easier to work around.

And, don't believe that HDMI cables are expensive, because they aren't. The retail stores like Best Buy and such charge stupidly high prices for them. Get them through local warehouses or onine vendors. www.nwca.com and www.newegg.com are great choices. And, you will notice absolutely no differnece between the $60 Monster cable at bestbuy over the $12 cable through online.

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What about Laser 7 output?

You don't have to worry about that unless you're Cartman.

Thanks again Knyte.

I'd also add monoprice.com to the list of sites you mentioned for buying cables. The stuff is so cheap you'd swear it's a non-profit organization.


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PostPosted: Jan 20 2010 03:25 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I should add though, make sure to get HDMI 1.3 cables, as they are current spec, and some 1.0/1.1/1.2 cables may not like newer Blu Rays and HDTVs.
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Knyte wrote:
I should add though, make sure to get HDMI 1.3 cables, as they are current spec, and some 1.0/1.1/1.2 cables may not like newer Blu Rays and HDTVs.

Noted. Although my TV is only 720p and my Xbox only has component outputs, so I'm not in need of HDMI 1.3 at the current time.


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PostPosted: Jan 20 2010 07:17 pm Reply with quote Back to top

tl;dr, in my experience, it ranks like this:

S-Video (poorest quality in my experience)
Composite Cable
Component Cable
HDMI

And maybe my eyesight is bad, but on my HDTV there's a negligible difference between component and HDMI. I switched to component when my TV to PS3 connection refused to acknowledge my HDMI cable anymore, and it's about roughly the same to me.

On the flipside, the only case where S-Video did anything useful was running my laptop full of emulators to my TV. There was no audio, and I had to use external speakers on my laptop to get sound. Also, I have a Retro Duo for my classic gaming, and an s-video cable only yields no sound and black and white picture only.


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PostPosted: Jan 20 2010 08:19 pm Reply with quote Back to top

S-Video is suppose to be better than Coaxial but all I notice is that S-Video makes a movie look brighter in a cleaner way.

Composite is my preferred method over Coaxial because their are no static issues with it.Also the channel 3 and 4 thing was always annoying to me when I had my Sega Genesis and I was glad when I started using Composite for everything.

I just got into Component and I think its a cool underrated format, I don't believe however that is supports VHS in those VCR/DVD combos, I use Component now for my PS2 and it plays DVD's well with my 1080i capable flat screen.

HDMI is nice but it doesn't blow Component out of the water or anything like some automatically assume but one cable is better than 5 I guess.


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PostPosted: Jan 21 2010 01:41 am Reply with quote Back to top

HDMI is ALOT nicer than Y Pb Pr if you're actually watching something that takes advantage of it.


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PostPosted: Jan 21 2010 02:43 pm Reply with quote Back to top

720p vs 1080p is Component vs HDMI.

If you look at them side by side, you'll notice a huge difference. However, if you're watching or playing something on 720p, it will still look fantasic.
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PostPosted: Jan 21 2010 09:11 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Knyte wrote:
720p vs 1080p is Component vs HDMI.

If you look at them side by side, you'll notice a huge difference. However, if you're watching or playing something on 720p, it will still look fantasic.


what about 1080i vs 1080p

your officially now the cable guru around here Very Happy


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1080i=interlaced vs 1080p=progressive

1080i, the former king of the HDTV hill, actually boasts an identical 1,920x1,080 resolution but conveys the images in an interlaced format (the i in 1080i). In a tube-based television, otherwise known as a CRT, 1080i sources get "painted" on the screen sequentially: the odd-numbered lines of resolution appear on your screen first, followed by the even-numbered lines--all within 1/30 of a second. Progressive-scan formats such as 480p, 720p, and 1080p convey all of the lines of resolution sequentially in a single pass, which makes for a smoother, cleaner image, especially with sports and other motion-intensive content. As opposed to tubes, microdisplays (DLP, LCoS, and LCD rear-projection) and other fixed-pixel TVs, including plasma and LCD flat-panel, are inherently progressive in nature, so when the incoming source is interlaced, as 1080i is, they convert it to progressive scan for display.
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