For those unaware, tomorrow, Massachusetts will hold a special election to determine who will fill the dead Ted Kennedy's Senate seat, Democrat Martha Coakley or Republican Scott Brown.
Massachusetts has long been a one party state. Every so often we elect a Republican governor to keep our tax-happy, spend-happy state legislature in check, but other than that, we are comprised of mindless fifth generation blue collar Democrats are Democrats because their parents and teachers told them to be.
But current polls are too close to call. Friday, a few polls showed Scott Brown pulling ahead, which led to Obama making a visit to the state yesterday to campaign for Coakley. If Brown wins this, he will be the 41st Republican in the Senate, and Obama will no longer be able to pass his healthcare reform. And Coakley attack ads proclaiming this fact have only seemed to HELP Brown. Even if Brown doesn't win this election, it had been a huge blow to the Massachusetts Democratic Party. If Brown does win, even after a visit from a sitting president (and another from Clinton) on behalf of Coakley, it will be disastrous for his administration. If he can't turn the tides in a crucial election in a Democratic stronghold, he will be seen as ineffective. It will energize Republicans and could lead to more defeats in the 2010 midterm elections in November. The whole situation is fascinating. As a Massachusetts Republican, I never believed we could ever win a Senate seat. The fact that it might happen is mindboggling, even to me.
You know, in American politics, it never really matters who is doing what or what party they belong to. Obama's healthcare reform wasn't going to pass anyway, or if it was, it'd be a super stripped down version that really only put some much needed checks on HMOs. America will never adopt universal health care or anything even approaching it, no matter how many democrats there are.
Is it really going to affect your life if MA has a Republican senator? Will we even notice?
Syd Lexia
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Posted:
Jan 18 2010 01:52 pm
Yes, it could. If he is able to maintain a decent approval rating, he could campaign on behalf of Republican candidates for state legislature and bolster the Republican presence in the state legislature. It could also help push another Republican into the governor's office. This could lead to less state spending and bring our sales tax back down to 5% from 6.25%.
It would also effectively crush Obama's healthcare agenda. The bill that could end up passing may not be universal, socialized healthcare, but it's even worse. It's a comprise-laden pork-filled piece of shit that is going to cost taxpayers billions of dollars and do almost nothing. The bill needs to be killed, and a 41st no vote would guarantee its final destruction. The Senate race is largely seen as a referendum on Obama's agenda, and a loss for Coakley would be seen a rejection of Obama's agenda in what is considered a liberal stronghold. The fact that Obama personally campaigned for Coakley compounds this issue.
Now, on the other hand, Coakley has a terrible campaign. She has run a barrage of attack ads that backfired. I think society has finally reached the point where we're not fucking stupid enough to fall for attack ads. So a Coakley will largely be Coakley's fault. But the desperation campaign she's running now could hurt the Democrats even more if her campaign proves unsalvageable. She has trotted out Ted Kennedy's widow, Bill Clinton, and Obama, all of whom have basically said: "If you like what Obama's doing, you HAVE to vote for Coakley." But it doesn't seem to be paying off. And if that pitch doesn't pay off, it will be a huge embarassment for the Democrats. If Massachusetts fills the former Senate seat of one of the most vocal proponents of socialized healthcare with a man who has vowed to undermine it, it will force Democratic leadership to serious rethink their goals and strategies.
But her attacks ads were awful. And she should have known better.
Republican candidate Kerry Healey, who had been Lt. Governor under the departing Mitt Romney, lost the last gubernatorial election because she ran ridiculous attacks against Deval Patrick. Her campaign was so bad, even I didn't vote for her. I think I voted for the Green Party.
Well, at least Brown isn't one of the fucktards trying to overturn Roe v. Wade.
There are a lot of what if's in life Donny. What if I hit you really hard in the face, knocked yo shit to the back of yo skull? What if I....had you girl gargle my nuts? The fact remains, you are a fuckin mutant.
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Posted:
Jan 18 2010 04:47 pm
I was flabbergasted that Scott Brown basically came out of fucking nowhere, and in Mass of all places, so much so that I donated $100 to his campaign last week. Sure I'm not a resident of Massachusetts, and it is rather late in the game but they're still buying tv spots up until the polls close. I found it kind of funny that they were trying to scare people into Voting D by saying a vote for Brown will be a step backwards akin to the days of W. moreso because the voting R = Bush policies, and Bush = Bad, is a stale argument already.
Doddsino
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Posted:
Jan 18 2010 05:26 pm
As far as ads go, he should take the Linda McMahon approach
In all seriousness, I really hope Obama's health care act doesn't pass...it'll only be another burden on the taxpayers and end up a complete and total joke like Social Security.
And it's interesting that you donated money Thunder, since that's basically going to be my new job and I need to convince people to at least donate $100 an hour for some Pro-Life office.
amtaylor
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Posted:
Jan 18 2010 05:53 pm
My general response to the Mass. election is that it is more important for the Dems to win it than the Republicans, if only to keep their message of Republicans being out of touch with the general public intact.
Regardless, the health care bill blows, and needs to die (and I'm a socialist speaking. That's sad). I don't think Brown winning will be enough to stop it outright, but it may postpone it.
What will be interesting, however, is how the Republicans act after a Brown victory. They still need to shore up some intra-party squabbling before the 2012 election cycle.
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genghiskool
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Posted:
Jan 18 2010 05:59 pm
I live in Ohio but I have been following the Massachusetts senate race in question somewhat closely. Syd you are right in saying that even if Mr. Brown loses, the fact that this race is so close in a state where Democrats outnumber Republicans 3:1 is am embarrassment for the Democratic party. The most important thing in my opinion to recognize though is that independents outnumber both Democrats and Republicans in the state, so a Coakley loss is really a function of the heavily eroding support for the liberal agenda amongst independents. That is the most troubling trend for the democrats. As a republican I am happy to see that this country has so soundly rejected the tax and spend agenda. Go Brown!
UsaSatsui
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Posted:
Jan 18 2010 06:10 pm
I'm staying academicly uninterested in this one, but Coakley's campaign ads have been pretty disgraceful.
I had no idea so many people followed politics so closely here, and that makes me sad.
JoshWoodzy
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Posted:
Jan 19 2010 11:04 am
I'm with Usa, just completely uninterested. The major mistake of people who follow politics closely (and I'm certainly not talking about Syd) is believeing that one candidate won't be a lying, filthy whore. There is always a lesser of two evils situation for me when it comes to politics, I don't think I have ever seen a candidate I actually WANT in the senate. But as much as I may come off as a liberal on social issues, I would always vote conservative when money matters are involved because to do the opposite would be embarrassing and not in my states best interests.
In my state, Bob McDonnell is a republican and was recently elected Governor after the awful performance leading our state that Democrat Tim Kaine did. I like McDonnell, and my liberal friends are outraged that I could like a conservative while my conservative friends are patting me on the back. I think I need new friends.
Sexton Hardcastle
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Posted:
Jan 19 2010 08:52 pm
I'm in basically the same boat Josh. People have the hardest time accepting that you don't just vote party lines and agree with everything that your party does. Personally, I'm a Libertarian, and on the conservative side, so I typically vote Republican. A lot of my friends are conservative and they can't believe I consider myself conservative but voted pro gay marriage up here a couple months ago. People need to stop being stupid and only voting party lines and decide what they really believe.
lavalarva
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Jan 19 2010 09:21 pm
Sexton Hardcastle wrote:
A lot of my friends are conservative and they can't believe I consider myself conservative but voted pro gay marriage up here a couple months ago.
That's why I refuse to say if I'm liberal or conservative. I usually say "somewhere in between" or "a bit of both", which can mean pretty much anything.
It also has the advantage of being a boring answer, so people rarely annoy me with political talk.
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Jan 19 2010 09:27 pm
I just vote for whoever has the better haircut.
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Posted:
Jan 19 2010 09:44 pm
Any word on returns yet? Our cable and net is out due to a bigass storm and all of the news sites I want to check are a pita to navigate by phone.
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Thunderhorse
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Posted:
Jan 19 2010 09:57 pm
Another forum says Brown. I've yet to reaffirm this, though.
EDIT:Yep, 52% to 47%
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SoldierHawk
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Posted:
Jan 19 2010 10:34 pm
AP offically called for Brown and I want to be sick. Kick in the balls on so very many levels.
I hope y`all know what you`re doing over there Syd. God dammit. God DAMN it
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Syd Lexia
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Posted:
Jan 19 2010 10:37 pm
Coakley conceded. Brown is the official winner. More later.
I think I`m gonna go drink myself to sleep now. . See y`all tomorrow.
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amtaylor
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Posted:
Jan 19 2010 11:23 pm
What new and magical things with Steele say about this victory?! Details tomorrow!
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Posted:
Jan 19 2010 11:48 pm
BABABOOEY
There are a lot of what if's in life Donny. What if I hit you really hard in the face, knocked yo shit to the back of yo skull? What if I....had you girl gargle my nuts? The fact remains, you are a fuckin mutant.
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Posted:
Jan 19 2010 11:49 pm
100 bucks well spent.
UsaSatsui
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Posted:
Jan 19 2010 11:54 pm
This result pleases me. Party affiliations aside, I really don't like Coakley.
Quote:
Coakley conceded.
This means nothing. It's just her being gracious in defeat.
It doesn't matter if you conceded, dropped out a month ago, or told each and every voter that if they vote for you, you'll knife them in their sleep. If your vote total is higher, you win.
It just ticks me off that people think a concession call means something.