Fuck the Chargers and fuck Phyllis Rivers!
P.S. Fuck Dan Fouts, too.

I hope the Colts win it all so Peyton can get another ring. I'd like him to get at least 3 (though I doubt it'll happen) to shut the pieholes of all the people slurping Tom Brady. I like Brady, but he isn't GOAT. He is up there, but he isn't the one. Plus, the morons who were saying dumb shit like he will probably end up with 5 or 6 rings need shot. I hesitate to say it, but I'm starting to think Manning is the best ever. Some more rings would just help validate that for those who think it is Brady.

Sexton Hardcastle wrote:

I hope Manning doesn't win it for all the facts you just mentioned. I don't think either of them are the greatest QB's of all time, but I do think Brady is better, but I'm not gonna bother debating it because I'm sure you've learned the same thing I have when it comes to that argument. It's just better to agree to disagree. But I do have to ask, what is GOAT?

GOAT = Greatest of All Time.

Yeah, I'm not gonna argue with anyone unless they say dumb shit like Brady will retire with at least 5 or 6 rings. People actually do say these things.

No, I realize greatest ever isn't for certain. I have about 8 guysthat I think are in the conversation that should be in everyone's top 10. But aside from that, I can easily see why somebody would say any of those 8 were the best ever.

Those 8 in no certain order:
Unitas
Montana
Elway
Marino
Favre
Manning
Brady
Young

I notice a lot of people would put Sammy Baugh and Otto Graham in the conversation as well. I just haven't seen enough of them to be able to put them on my list.

Sexton Hardcastle wrote:

scamrock wrote: Sexton Hardcastle wrote: I hope Manning doesn't win it for all the facts you just mentioned. I don't think either of them are the greatest QB's of all time, but I do think Brady is better, but I'm not gonna bother debating it because I'm sure you've learned the same thing I have when it comes to that argument. It's just better to agree to disagree. But I do have to ask, what is GOAT? GOAT = Greatest of All Time. Yeah, I'm not gonna argue with anyone unless they say dumb shit like Brady will retire with at least 5 or 6 rings. People actually do say these things. No, I realize greatest ever isn't for certain. I have about 8 guysthat I think are in the conversation that should be in everyone's top 10. But aside from that, I can easily see why somebody would say any of those 8 were the best ever. Those 8 in no certain order: Unitas Montana Elway Marino Favre Manning Brady Young I notice a lot of people would put Sammy Baugh and Otto Graham in the conversation as well. I just haven't seen enough of them to be able to put them on my list. That's a pretty damn solid list you have right there. I would even put Terry Bradshaw in there, I know his stats aren't the greatest, but the guy did have four Super Bowl rings. That has to count for something.

I usually put Bradshaw and Tarkenton as my 9 and 10. Again, I possibly should have Baugh and Graham in my top 10, but I just haven't seen them enough. There are some other guys who are top 15 possibly 9 and 10, like Staubach, Fouts , Moon, etc. But I usually give it to Bradshaw and Tarkenton for no other reason than Bradshaw's 4 rings and because Tarkenton had all the records before Marino. Namath is tricky because he was always so overrated. Now, because he was, people seem to counter that by saying he was garbage. The truth is, he is probably in the top 20 someplace, maybe top 15 depending on how you rank them. I also like Jim Kelly quite a bit. Shit, Warner has to be up there as well.

I should come up with a top 25 or something.

UsaSatsui wrote:

Pandajuice wrote: UsaSatsui wrote: Quote: I don't think any QB in the future will ever be able to rise above them. *coughTomBradycough* I've never been all that impressed with Brady and don't think he belongs in the top 3 of all time. He's just as good as, if not better than, Peyton Manning. If he's not Top 3, he's Top 4.

I'm not saying he isn't in the conversation, but personally, I still have Manning, Montana, and Marino above Brady as far as overall ability goes. Also, I would still take Unitas and Elway, and possibly Favre over him. I would probably take Brady over Young, though Young is the most efficient QB in NFL history.

For me, when looking at Manning, I have to look a little deeper.

I don't know much about Brady in high school, but he was an underrated college QB and ended up in the perfect situation in the NFL. When I look at Manning, I see a guy who was one of the top prospects in high school, one of the top college QBs for 3 seasons, a top NFL prospect, and one of the best NFL QBs ever.

A lot of people will say Manning plays so well because he gets to play in a dome half of the season. I say he played extremely well at Neyland Stadium in college.

A lot of people say he has always had the luxury of playing with top receivers like Harrison and Wayne. I say he makes his receivers better. Harrison and Wayne aren't the only receivers who play well with Manning. All of his receivers and tight ends have played well. Plus, several of Manning's college receivers went pro. None of them have really panned out. The only one of real mention, if any at all, is Peerless Price.

The only QB who has been more efficient is Steve Young.
The only QB with more 30+ TD seasons is Favre.
The only QB with more consecutive starts is Favre.
He has the most consecutive starts of any QB who has started every game of his career.
He has only 2 seasons under 4,000 yards.

I could go on and on.

For the people who always talk about how bad he is in the post season:
Tied for the most 300+ and 400+ yard games in the post season.
One of only four to have a perfect passer rating in the post season.
Has the biggest comeback in CCG history.

He has the durability and longevity of Favre, the efficiency of Young, the comeback ability of Elway, the poise of Montana, the mechanics of Brady, the ability of Marino and Warner to move the ball and score. It's like somebody took the best part of all the greats and made Manning.