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greeneyedzeke
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So at the Tokyo Game Show last night, Nintendo president Satoru Iwata unveiled the closely guarded controller for the company's 2006 Next-Gen console, Nintendo Revolution.
http://cube.ign.com/articles/651/651301p1.html
The main body of the unit looks markedly like a cross between an iPod and a remote control while the "optional" analog stick attachment (which can be used by lefties AND righties) adds a more "conventional" flair to the piece. Mind you, I've JUST started reading about it, but I'm not sure how I feel. If anyone's going to push such a radical redesign, it's Nintendo. They've already shown that they can turn novel ideas into successes (just look at the DS), but they've also jumped the gun and floundered with their innovative ideas before (think Virtual Boy). There's no question, of all the next-gen systems the Revolution is the ONLY one I know for a fact I'll be buying, but I'm curious as to what others think about this controller. Is Nintendo really forging ahead, or are they sealing their fate as being a "niche" product? How will this affect the way we play games? Will third parties even bother porting to the system, or will ESPN Madden (Insert whatever other licenses EA locks up) 2010 be Microsoft/Sony only?
EDIT: So, instead of replying to my own post, I'm going to edit this one...
The main controller unit is interesting in a few ways (this comes after more reading up on it).
First, it's got motion sensors in it, which isn't a shock, since Nintendo was patenting a gyro mechanism a year ago. People pretty much figured that this would be a feature of the new system. The intent here is that if you're, say, playing Zelda, you can swing the sword yourself or if you're playing a baseball game, you can swing the bat. Part of me thinks this is awesome and part of me thinks Nintendo got yelled at by the Japanese government and they're trying to encourage exercise through gaming., ala Dance Dance Revolution.
Second, if you flip that sumbitch horizontally, you have the classic D-Pad B, A setup from the NES. This'll make it super-easy to use with the downloadable 8-bit games Nintendo's promising. The back has a "B-trigger" which is exactly like the N64's "Z-trigger", so when you use that along with the add-on analog stick, you have something approximating the N64's controller... even then, though, you're lacking the C-buttons. I'll be curious to see how that works out.
I'm curious as to the longevity of a gaming session using this controller. I know that, after a while, I start to hold my current controllers closer to my lap, mostly because I don't like sitting with my arms outstretched. I don't know if that's going to be completely possible now. On the positive side, if someone pisses you off during a match of Super Smash Brothers, you can swing the analog stick like a pair of nunchukus and bean them real good.
One clip that Nintendo showed last night indicated that some platformers would make you flip the controller up to jump and push it left or right to move... that feels vaguely like what the Power Glove did and that wasn't all that fun. Then again, it's years later and the technology has improved.
One thing's for sure... this is going to be a GREAT party system. Kick back a few beers, get some friends, and try swinging your virtual baseball bat. Hilarity WILL ensue. IGN's already reporting that the creator of Samba De Amigo is supposedly in love with the controller. I like where that leads.
ONE MORE EDIT: I've just had a realization. This is the first time Nintendo's plan really clicked for me. I don't think they've concerned at this point about third-party ports. This is where they price themselves cheaper than the competititon, let Sony and Microsoft fuck each other over, let gamers buy either an XBox 360 or a PS3 for their "regular" games, and buy a cheap, cool Revolution for the "novelty" and the Nintendo licenses. Hell, that's why the system itself is so compact. It'll fit nicely on a shelf next to either of the other two consoles.
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Syd Lexia
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In theory, it's an interesting idea. But I have to wonder how well tradition genres like fighters and 3D shooters will work on the system. Nintendo promised us backwards compatibility, but I don't see enough buttons for it to do so. Take a game like Ocarina of Time that used every single button on the N64 controller... how is that going to work? Maybe it will, and I guess I'll just have to wait to try it.
The fact that the controller shows absolutely no regard for third party companies really disapponts me. I'm sick of seeing games like GTA, Silent Hill 4, Castlevania: Curse of Darkness and Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks that get releases for Sony and Microsoft but not Nintendo. I don't expect Nintendo to be the #1 console, but I think companies ought to feel compelled to release their fucking games on Nintendo's consoles. I'm not very confident that'll happen with this time.
But hey, it's still getting my money.
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greeneyedzeke
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The fact that the controller shows absolutely no regard for third party companies really disapponts me. I'm sick of seeing games like GTA, Silent Hill 4, Castlevania: Curse of Darkness and Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks that get releases for Sony and Microsoft but not Nintendo. I don't expect Nintendo to be the #1 console, but I think companies ought to feel compelled to release their fucking games on Nintendo's consoles. I'm not very confident that'll happen with this time.
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Rockstar would be CRAZY not to put GTA on Revolution. Imagine gamers everywhere using the controller to pantomime "Kill the hooker and take your money back".
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Syd Lexia
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| greeneyedzeke wrote: |
| Rockstar would be CRAZY not to put GTA on Revolution. Imagine gamers everywhere using the controller to pantomime "Kill the hooker and take your money back". |
Driving with it might be somewhat of a logistical nightmare though. Of course, as we already discussed independent from this thread, the system WILL have ports for GCN controllers. So it really shouldn't be a huge issue.
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SamanthaMcPoopenstein
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Interesting. I really didn't expect this sort of design at all!
I pretty much come up with a blank as to the full potential of the controller, but I'm sure Nintendo will pull something bizarre, yet awesome, out of its insane ass. I just hope the system doesn't get ignored, because I'd really like to see something new and fun come out of the Revolution.
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Tebor
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B.B.King
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worst idea ever. theres no way thats going to be comfortable. why not just use a big block of wood chained to a steering wheel
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Valdronius
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Depneding on how long the cord is from the analog controller, you could just lean back in your recliner, arms on the armrests, and play away. If you had one of those chiars with a built-in fridge and toilet, you'd never have to leave. Promoting exercise my ass.
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greeneyedzeke
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| Valdronius wrote: |
| Depneding on how long the cord is from the analog controller, you could just lean back in your recliner, arms on the armrests, and play away. If you had one of those chiars with a built-in fridge and toilet, you'd never have to leave. Promoting exercise my ass. |
Hmm... you make a good point, but I'm thinking more in terms of the baseball game example, or even sword fighting. Nintendo's gonna make you get more than just your thumbs going someway, somehow. One clip they showed indicated a motion sensitive fighting game might be a possibilty. That... just won't work. I've got 18 years martial arts experience and I've played that motion sensitive arcade boxing game you see in movie theaters and whatnot. Throwing actual legit punches just doesn't work. You have to throw strikes that fall within a certain movement range to even register a hit. That being said, I better be fucking able to swing a lightsaber in some future "Star Wars" game. Oh God, I better.
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S. McCracken
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| greeneyedzeke wrote: |
| I better be fucking able to swing a lightsaber in some future "Star Wars" game. Oh God, I better. |
Fuck yeah. If I could do that in a future game, I'd tell all you suckers to get bent because I'd be playing that game 24 hours a day and I wouldn't have time to talk to you guys. As it stands now, I hope you don't get bent because i'm still visiting the site on a regular basis.
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Syd Lexia
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In theory, it's an interesting idea. But I have to wonder how well tradition genres like fighters and 3D shooters will work on the system. Nintendo promised us backwards compatibility, but I don't see enough buttons for it to do so. Take a game like Ocarina of Time that used every single button on the N64 controller... how is that going to work? Maybe it will, and I guess I'll just have to wait to try it.
The fact that the controller shows absolutely no regard for third party companies really disapponts me. I'm sick of seeing games like GTA, Silent Hill 4, Castlevania: Curse of Darkness and Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks that get releases for Sony and Microsoft but not Nintendo. I don't expect Nintendo to be the #1 console, but I think companies ought to feel compelled to release their fucking games on Nintendo's consoles. I'm not very confident that'll happen with this time.
But hey, it's still getting my money. |
Well, I was mostly right. It's funny that Nintendo actually is the #1 console, but isn't considered successful.
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JRA
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What purpose did the d-pad on the n64 serve on Ocarina of Time? I don't ever remember using that.
Also, how is the Wii the #1 console, yet not considered successful? By who? Hardcore gamers? Fuck those pricks!
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Ky-Guy
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
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In theory, it's an interesting idea. But I have to wonder how well tradition genres like fighters and 3D shooters will work on the system. Nintendo promised us backwards compatibility, but I don't see enough buttons for it to do so. Take a game like Ocarina of Time that used every single button on the N64 controller... how is that going to work? Maybe it will, and I guess I'll just have to wait to try it.
The fact that the controller shows absolutely no regard for third party companies really disapponts me. I'm sick of seeing games like GTA, Silent Hill 4, Castlevania: Curse of Darkness and Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks that get releases for Sony and Microsoft but not Nintendo. I don't expect Nintendo to be the #1 console, but I think companies ought to feel compelled to release their fucking games on Nintendo's consoles. I'm not very confident that'll happen with this time.
But hey, it's still getting my money. |
Well, I was mostly right. It's funny that Nintendo actually is the #1 console, but isn't considered successful. |
Necro topic, much?
Anyway, I know Nintendo didn't get the games it wanted with the Wii, but at least it tried. With controllers having more and more buttons, Nintendo most likely made the Wii controller the way it was to not only innovate video gaming, but to also ease up on the buttons.
Besides, at least we have the Classic Controller. . . and compatibility with the Gamecube controller.
Also, just out of complete randomness, do you guys think the extension port in the Wii remote concept art looks like an HDMI port?
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| Necro topic, much? |
That guy is constantly breaking the rules. He needs to be fucking banned.
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Doddsino
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I'm more than happy with my Wii. Sure it doesn't get the most play out of all my systems, and I only have about 8 games, but all 8 have so much replay value. So I don't really care if people say if it was sucessful or not, I've play both 360 and PS3, and I prefer this immensely.
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| I'm more than happy with my Wii. Sure it doesn't get the most play out of all my systems, and I only have about 8 games, but all 8 have so much replay value. So I don't really care if people say if it was sucessful or not, I've play both 360 and PS3, and I prefer this immensely. |
I am not, and what I am most disappointed in is that the backwards compatibility for GameCube games doesn't allow for controller mapping. The alternative solution? Buy New Play Control versions of the games. It would have been simple to just add a single screen in the Wii options for each older game you play.
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That guy is constantly breaking the rules. He needs to be fucking banned. |
He always walks around like he owns the place.
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Pandajuice
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The Wii is disappointing to me as well, solely because of the stupid ass wiimote and gimmicky motion controls. Too many games had the motion junk shoehorned into them and it just makes them harder to play, not more fun. Not only that, but the wii remote design is flawed in that you constantly need to plug in and remove the nunchuk depending on what game or mini game you're playing, and after some time, it wears out the contacts, especially if you're playing a vigorous game that tugs on the connection port. So eventually the nunchuk doesn't fit in as well as it used to leading to frustrating control glitches and bad joystick calibration. We're on our fourth new nunchuk in just 2 years because of that problem.
Not only that, but I find it difficult to play the Wii for more than an hour or so before I get bored or tired of the gimmicky controls (swing the remote to attack), so it almost forces you to play casually.
I sincerely hope for the good of video gaming future that motion controls, and two part controllers don't become the norm, or the next generation of gaming is going to be a frustrating mess. The Wii remote/nunchuk bullshit make me long for the perfectly simple and hard wearing NES brick controller.
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Syd Lexia
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Motion controls may not become the norm, but different controllers for every goddam game certainly is. People bought Wii Fit. People bought Guitar Hero. People bought Rock Band. People bought DDR. People bought DJ Hero. People bought the Wii Zapper. The market has shown that people are willing to buy a game that comes with a special controller. So expect more and more of it. Pretty soon, every game is going to have its own damn controller.
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Rydog
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I think the motion controls are awesome. When a few people are over, I have a blast playing Wii Sports and Resort and those games wouldn't exist without motion control. I do agree that some games can be a pain in the ass with motion but many games also offer traditional controls. And some games that do require motion control don't necessarily ask for you to do much, such as Mario Galaxy. I'm not saying that every game should implement motion control, but some games are better with it. And last time I checked, all 3 current consoles will have some form of motion control soon, so if it sticks across the board, I suggest getting used to it.
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Syd Lexia
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I agree that motion controls are fun. Not every Wii game that uses them does so in a strenuous or involving manner, and not Wii game uses them. And there are certain things that it just doesn't work for. In particular, fighting games. No one wants to play a motion-based fighting game.
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| Motion controls may not become the norm, but different controllers for every goddam game certainly is. People bought Wii Fit. People bought Guitar Hero. People bought Rock Band. People bought DDR. People bought DJ Hero. People bought the Wii Zapper. The market has shown that people are willing to buy a game that comes with a special controller. So expect more and more of it. Pretty soon, every game is going to have its own damn controller. |
That sort of stuff bothers me. Part of trouble with collecting NES nowadays is finding all the add-on's that came out. "Stack Up", not only played with R.O.B, but had it's own elaborate set of accessories. It's a sheer pain in the ass to find it, let alone a complete set, which is usually hundreds of dollars.
On the other side of things, DJ Hero/any of that Hero shit is trendy now, but go into any used game store and they are PACKED full of the used controllers. I don't see how anyone can actually just throw the game in and start playing, there seems to be more add-ons than the Mouse Trap game. And storing that shit's a real annoyance, nothing says tacky like fake plastic instruments in your living room.
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Syd Lexia
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| Doddsino wrote: |
| On the other side of things, DJ Hero/any of that Hero shit is trendy now, but go into any used game store and they are PACKED full of the used controllers. I don't see how anyone can actually just throw the game in and start playing, there seems to be more add-ons than the Mouse Trap game. And storing that shit's a real annoyance, nothing says tacky like fake plastic instruments in your living room. |
Fuck, that reminds me. I have an old accessory-based game sitting on the other side of the room that I need review.
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UsaSatsui
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| Doddsino wrote: |
| On the other side of things, DJ Hero/any of that Hero shit is trendy now, but go into any used game store and they are PACKED full of the used controllers. I don't see how anyone can actually just throw the game in and start playing, there seems to be more add-ons than the Mouse Trap game. And storing that shit's a real annoyance, nothing says tacky like fake plastic instruments in your living room. |
Fuck, that reminds me. I have an old accessory-based game sitting on the other side of the room that I need review. |
You have other priorities.
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Blackout
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I thought this was about whatever console is going to come out after the Wii, I clicked the link and thought that looks just like the Wii controler, what the hell? Then I realized it was an old post when I saw B.B. King's avatar.
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