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Xbox modder facing 3 years in a jury trial


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Lady_Satine
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PostPosted: Dec 02 2010 11:10 am Reply with quote Back to top

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/12/01/5561705-xbox-modder-could-spend-three-years-in-prison?gt1=43001

The gist: This guy is being held in violation of DMCA for charging $60-80 to mod Xbox 360 consoles.

The latest: A Wired reporter, who has been in the courtroom, is reporting that opening statements in the case have been delayed and the case put on hold after the federal judge unleashed a 30-minute tirade at prosecutors. He reports:

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"I really don’t understand what we’re doing here,” U.S. District Judge Philip Gutierrez roared from the bench.

Gutierrez slammed the prosecution over everything from alleged unlawful behavior by government witnesses, to proposed jury instructions harmful to the defense. When the verbal assault finally subsided, federal prosecutors asked for a recess to determine whether they would offer the defendant a deal, dismiss or move forward with the case...

Among the judge’s host of complaints against the government was his alarm that prosecutors would put on two witnesses who may have broken the law.

One is Entertainment Software Association investigator Tony Rosario, who secretly video-recorded defendant Matthew Crippen allegedly performing the Xbox mod in Crippen’s Los Angeles suburban house. The defense argues that making the recording violates California privacy law. The other witness is Microsoft security employee Ken McGrail, who analyzed the two consoles Crippen allegedly altered. McGrail admitted that he himself had modded Xboxes in college.


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GPFontaine
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PostPosted: Dec 02 2010 11:52 am Reply with quote Back to top

I thought that this guy was in trouble for changing the aesthetics of the system, not the hardware. I was outraged that an artist would be in trouble over changing the appearance of a device. Now that I understand that the modding is the hardware for allowing playback of otherwise locked out content, I still disapprove of the proposed penalty. Jail time doesn't seem appropriate unless he was distributing illegally copied media. He wasn't even offering an illegal means for distribution.

I find this to be similar to busting someone for having a car that has too much horsepower to be considered "street legal". It is a stupid charge that prevents some crime, but is mostly just there to reduce the occurrence of that type of thing.



 
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Ash Burton
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PostPosted: Dec 02 2010 04:14 pm Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:


I find this to be similar to busting someone for having a car that has too much horsepower to be considered "street legal". It is a stupid charge that prevents some crime, but is mostly just there to reduce the occurrence of that type of thing.

Tell that to SNK, they went bankrupt thanks to piracy. Playing bootlegs hurts software companies, so they don't put out as many good titles. So yeah, jail sounds about right.


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PostPosted: Dec 02 2010 04:21 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah, agreed. There is a difference between downloading 15-20 year old games you can't buy anymore like 50% of abandonware, and modding something to play games you didn't pay for the day they hit the shelf.


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GPFontaine
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PostPosted: Dec 02 2010 06:09 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Ash Burton wrote:
GPFontaine wrote:
I find this to be similar to busting someone for having a car that has too much horsepower to be considered "street legal". It is a stupid charge that prevents some crime, but is mostly just there to reduce the occurrence of that type of thing.

Tell that to SNK, they went bankrupt thanks to piracy. Playing bootlegs hurts software companies, so they don't put out as many good titles. So yeah, jail sounds about right.

Back to my comparison, I am fine with busting people who bootleg the media. I compare them with assholes that drive cars 100mph on the highway through thick traffic. The guy who made the cars that fast shouldn't be the one in trouble though.



 
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PostPosted: Dec 02 2010 06:34 pm Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:
Ash Burton wrote:
GPFontaine wrote:
I find this to be similar to busting someone for having a car that has too much horsepower to be considered "street legal". It is a stupid charge that prevents some crime, but is mostly just there to reduce the occurrence of that type of thing.

Tell that to SNK, they went bankrupt thanks to piracy. Playing bootlegs hurts software companies, so they don't put out as many good titles. So yeah, jail sounds about right.

Back to my comparison, I am fine with busting people who bootleg the media. I compare them with assholes that drive cars 100mph on the highway through thick traffic. The guy who made the cars that fast shouldn't be the one in trouble though.

This. While I'm sure some will use it for Piracy that is up to them to chance getting caught.


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Ash Burton
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PostPosted: Dec 02 2010 06:43 pm Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:
Ash Burton wrote:
GPFontaine wrote:
I find this to be similar to busting someone for having a car that has too much horsepower to be considered "street legal". It is a stupid charge that prevents some crime, but is mostly just there to reduce the occurrence of that type of thing.

Tell that to SNK, they went bankrupt thanks to piracy. Playing bootlegs hurts software companies, so they don't put out as many good titles. So yeah, jail sounds about right.

Back to my comparison, I am fine with busting people who bootleg the media. I compare them with assholes that drive cars 100mph on the highway through thick traffic. The guy who made the cars that fast shouldn't be the one in trouble though.

I still don't understand the comparison. So your okay with people modding systems to play pirated media, but you want to punish those who buy or play them?


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PostPosted: Dec 02 2010 06:45 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The guy who mods the system is an enabler though. He's like a drug dealer.


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PostPosted: Dec 02 2010 08:09 pm Reply with quote Back to top

He's more like a guy who sells Strawberry Blunts. It's not his fault they are cracked open and stuffed with weed. Just like it's not this guys fault if the people abuse it and pirate software.


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Rydog
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PostPosted: Dec 03 2010 01:47 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Hmmm, is it considered illegal to mod an xbox? Shouldn't you be able to do whatever you want to your own property? Obviously, then adding pirated/illegal downloads, games, etc is punishable, but just doing the actual mod?
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PostPosted: Dec 03 2010 05:09 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Case over.

From Kotaku:

A day after a judge chewed them out in open court, federal prosecutors in Los Angeles dropped their case against a man accused of running a modding business that allowed Xbox 360s to run pirated or unauthorized games.

Wired reports that Matthew Crippen, 28, is a free man, after prosecutor Allen Chiu told Judge Philip Gutierrez the indictment against him had been dismissed. The dismissal stems from the newly given testimony of an Entertainment Software Association investigator, which conflicted with his earlier reports and which the defense had not been privy to before today. That followed yesterday's angry lecturing from Gutierrez concerned that the ESA investigator's secret taping of Crippen might be a violation of California privacy law.

Crippen faced a potential 10 years in prison if he had been convicted of installing mod chips on the consoles, violations under the anti-circumvention provisions of the United States' Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998. Crippen's case was to have been the first ever to reach a jury; one was seated on Tuesday.

"It still has not hit me yet," Crippen told Wired outside court.

The investigator's testimony concerned Crippen himself placing a pirated video game inside the modded 360 to confirm it worked, which would have satisfied a legal test that Crippen knew he was breaking the law. Nowhere in earlier reports had the investigator said Crippen did such a thing; the prosecution said his newfound recollection came on Sunday.
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UsaSatsui
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PostPosted: Dec 03 2010 08:38 pm Reply with quote Back to top

They seated a jury? Hehe, they can't touch him now.

Let's hope he's smart enough to stop modding consoles. Probably not.
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