Well this topic has a lot of bitterness in my world since that every dragon based movie I have seen except for one, Dragon Heart, have all been total and complete flops. I don't know what it is about Dragons but they can't seem to make a decent movie about them.
Do you agree with me? Lets have a discussion about what made them bad movies or if you think so what made them good movies.
If you have any obscure dragon based movies then let me see em.
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Jul 20 2009 10:07 pm
cough, PegasUs.
Anywho, I can't really think of all that many movies the focus on a dragon. other than Dragon Heart, Eragon, and...etc.
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Jul 20 2009 10:10 pm
Well there were also Reign of fire and Dragon Wars
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Jul 21 2009 12:05 am
Well, Dragons haven't been handled well. Either they are complete monsters (Dragon Wars, Reign Of Fire) or comedy sidekicks (Dragonheart). Make a well written dragon movie, and then you will have well done dragons in them.
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Jul 21 2009 12:32 am
These are all really gay options. Why does this thread even have a voting option in the first place?
In any case I've seen no good movies with dragons, certainly not one focusing on them as protagonists. I liked the Rankin Bass Hobbit movie and its intimidating Smaug, but thats about it.
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Jul 21 2009 12:40 am
Well, I've seen lots of movies with dragons that I've *enjoyed*, but I wouldn't call them sterling examples of the filmmaking art.
Aside from Dragonheart, my favorite dragon movie is "Dragon" from 2006. Very cheesy, more than a bit of bad acting (although some of it is quite good, too). The Dragon's the antagonist in that one (a group of people are out to kill it). The dragon itself is semi-craptastic CGI, but the movie as a whole was fun.
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Jul 21 2009 12:59 am
Game of death starring bruce lee. Best dragon movie ever.
Anyhow, those options do suck. Dragon wins by default
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Jul 21 2009 02:00 pm
RobotGumshoe wrote:
These are all really gay options. Why does this thread even have a voting option in the first place?
Yeah, those options are a little weak. Didn't really give the Dragon much competition. Maybe throw in the Minotaur, Cyclops, Giants, Griffins, Hydra...my favorite has got to be the Liger though.
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Jul 21 2009 02:32 pm
One of these days, the Unicorns time will come.
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Jul 21 2009 03:12 pm
The recent Beowulf movie had a dragon on it. It didn't help the movie out even one little bit.
Also Dungeon & Dragons had dragons in it. That sucked too.
I wish Braveheart had dragons in it.
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Jul 21 2009 05:32 pm
Wasn't there a movie about dragons battling each other?
Anyways, there are far cooler mythical creatures out there. Fauns, centaurs, orcs, ents, the Devil...
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Jul 21 2009 06:02 pm
GPFontaine wrote:
Also Dungeon & Dragons had dragons in it. That sucked too.
Jeremy Irons was the only thing that made D&D worth sitting through to the end. Which is too bad, because it really did have potential.
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Jul 21 2009 06:44 pm
Dorkus wrote:
One of these days, the Unicorns time will come.
Well there is the Last Unicorn, which was an epic movie.
I mean why are mythological creatures so hard to make movies with? I know this thread started out as a mainly dragon movie thread but now that I think about it when it comes to myths and legends of other cultures we tend to butcher the hell out them.
Sorry for the crappy choices, other than dragon, i didn't want to sit there naming mythical creature after mythical creature. I tried putting an other selection but accidentally forgot to push the right button.
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Jul 21 2009 07:16 pm
Disgaearulz12 wrote:
Dorkus wrote:
One of these days, the Unicorns time will come.
Well there is the Last Unicorn, which was an epic movie.
I mean why are mythological creatures so hard to make movies with? I know this thread started out as a mainly dragon movie thread but now that I think about it when it comes to myths and legends of other cultures we tend to butcher the hell out them.
Ah, I love The Last Unicorn, and I LOVE the music for it, too. America is one of my favorite bands, and the soundtrack they put out was wonderful.
Interesting point on the mythological creature movies there. I would guess that its one of two things: either a) the filmmakers focus SO much on the creature they're making a movie about that you loose track of the human plot and cease to care, or b) it falls prey to Transformers syndrome, and they focus TOO much on the people, and ignore the major drawing point of the creature itself.
The best mythological creature movies are ones where the creatures are characters themselves, and not just mounts/mindless antagonists. Dragonheart is a prime example of this being done well, which is why it ended up being such a great movie. The dragon wasn't just a dragon, it was a character with ideas, personality and motivation of its own. Take that away, and its just a crappy action movie about people trying to kill things that could be ANY kind of big, dangerous animal. It makes the mythological creature much less special and much more interesting. (Reign of Fire was hugely guilty of that.) The only time a film like that does work is when the story or characters are epic enough to carry the story on their own--Theseus and the Minotaur for example, or Jason and the Argonauts. In the case of those stories, however, you'll notice that the movie is always sold on it being the story of Theseus or of Jason, not on the fact that there's a monster in the movie. (And when they DO try to turn a story like that into a monster movie, you end up with a giant piece of shit like Minotaur, one of the few Sci-Fi original movies that even I, a huge fan of bad sci-fi channel movies, can't watch all the way through.)
An argument could also be made that the creatures almost always look pretty bad, but I don't think that's true--look at how well the skeleton warriors in Jason and the Argonauts, or the Titan and Medusa from Clash of the Titans has held up over the years despite being simple stop-motion animation. If the story is good enough, the effects quality isn't usually an issue.
My two cents anyway.
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Jul 21 2009 07:20 pm
Unicorns have had some awesome movies. In addition to The Last Unicorn, there were:
Unico
Unico and the Island of Magic
Legend
Okay, maybe Legend wasn't a unicorn movie. But the unicorns were a MAJOR plot point.
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Jul 21 2009 10:47 pm
Dragons, mainly because they kick so much ass.
Links, pics, vids . . . I shall post these when given the chance
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Jul 21 2009 10:56 pm
Copiously copied from Lore Sjolbergs book of ratings.
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Dragons
The problem with dragons is that you only hear about when they get killed, thus leaving the impression that dragons are huge, fire-breathing, enormously destructive creatures that are really quite easy to take down. They need to add more background material to dragon stories, along the lines of "Chapter 14: Smaug eats another well-armored and well-trained adventurer who never had a Smurf's chance in a blender." The other problem is that dragons rank second only to vampires in the list of "Mythological creatures that people tend to identify a little too closely with." The level of denial is adequately illustrated by the following searches on AltaVista: "I am a dragon": 157. "I am a sales clerk": 0. C+
Unicorns
If you weren't well-acquainted with modern American culture, you might be inclined to think that unicorns were pretty cool; one-horned uber-horses with a thing for virgins, chock full of psycho-sexual goodness. The difficulty lies not with unicorns themselves, but with airbrush artists. Three decades of putting misty renditions of unicorns between the sad harlequin posters and the David Cassidy/Scott Baio/Hanson posters have made the unicorn only slightly more effective a symbol of wild purity than Pekkle the Sanrio Duck. D
Vampires
I could make a crack about "Vampire: The Masquerade" being D&D for people who own "The Downward Spiral," but I have a copy of both, so I'll limit myself to observing that with the increasing popularity of vampires, we're on the verge of the unicorn syndrome all over again. If it hasn't happened already, in a few months look for airbrushed posters of sad vampires in Wal-Marts everywhere, and in a decade look for female college students saying to each other "Were you into vampires when you were nine? Me too! We were such dorks!" C
And a bonus unicorn versus Narwal video.
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Jul 21 2009 11:13 pm
At the risk of using an overly used phrase.
OMG that was an awesome video.
And good point brought up by Syd. How could we forget about legend. Oh I remember seeing that for the first time very creepy, but also very good.
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Jul 22 2009 01:56 am
TopShelf wrote:
RobotGumshoe wrote:
These are all really gay options. Why does this thread even have a voting option in the first place?
Yeah, those options are a little weak. Didn't really give the Dragon much competition. Maybe throw in the Minotaur, Cyclops, Giants, Griffins, Hydra...my favorite has got to be the Liger though.
Umm.... Ligers are mythical. They're real:
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Jul 22 2009 03:25 am
God, I've seen pictures before, but they still blow me away every time. Those things are so fucking huge.
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Jul 22 2009 11:33 pm
Well thats what happens when you mix a lion and a tiger
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Jul 22 2009 11:52 pm
Disgaearulz12 wrote:
Well thats what happens when you mix a lion and a tiger
Yeah. I never understood quite why though--I mean, neither a lion nor a tiger is nearly that big. Why should their offspring get so much bigger than either parent?
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Jul 23 2009 01:10 am
I saw something about that on Animal Planet once (or possibly the Science channel, I forget which), they said that it has to do with the genes inherited from the parents. A liger comes from a male lion and a female tiger, so they think there must be something in the opposite parent of each species that inhibits the growth of normal lions and tigers. Since the liger doesn't have that, it grows to ridiculously massive sizes.