UsaSatsui wrote:

And, what, people in desperate need of money in your government are, what? Executed?

I'm curious to know how you came to that conclusion based upon what I said?

In my fascist dictatorship, people would in general not be in desperate need of money. There would also not be unemployment, for those able to work would be given work, even if it's government make-work, at a fair wage. Those able and unwilling to work would be expelled from the nation. I'm sure America would take them in, seeing as how they would consider my fascist dictatorship evil and would thus grant them asylum. Of course, those unable to work would be cared for, similar to what Social Security does today for the disabled, but better.

You can consider me a Raul Julia-esque M. Bison if you wish, but I am not cruel and truly would do everything I say I would for a better world. I don't even care if I am the leader, so long as things come about as such. I personally am no fan of fascist dictatorships as they lend themselves to tyranny, but it's unfortunately the system that brings about the most rapid results.

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Either you're bring ridiculous for the sake of humor and hyperbole, or you haven't got a clue about how real life works.

I assure you, I have quite a clue about how real life works. I've grown up in a barrio, rubbed elbows with the rich, and been homeless living out of the back of a pickup with a bone-dry gas tank. Been shot at, been stabbed, been a day laborer, been a college student(not in that order.) I've seen a bit, certainly haven't seen it all of course, but I do have a clue about what things like pawn shops and porno theaters and payday loan sharks do to a community. All just symptoms of a larger disease, but you can treat symptoms too. The broken windows theory is correct. It's not intuitive, but it's correct.

Doddsino wrote:

Uh oh...my stomach's grumbling... I better not go to the grocery store, where those heartless bastards take advantage of my weakened state by charging 2 for $5 for Chicken Primavera.

Hyperbole. You're not going to die or lose your domicile/car/what have you if you don't get that Chicken Primavera.

UsaSatsui wrote:

Holy shit, do you ever fail Real World Economics. Don't worry, Marx failed it too. It's a nice Communist utopia you planned out, it just plain doesn't work in any sort of global economy.

So, you're trying to tell me an economy cannot survive without pawn shops and loan sharks?

How does it not work in any sort of a global economy? There are dozens of European nations where similar ideas work just fine. Norway is a great example. Having wisely chosen to stay out of the EU, they make a killing exporting their goods to EU nations. This isn't to say that the aforementioned nations aren't in peril and don't have their faults. Immigration will kill these countries, not broad economic policy.

P.S.: my ideal society is not Communism, not by a long shot.

UsaSatsui wrote:

Funny, you pretty much described Communism to a tee.

I certainly did not. I did not say that there would be no free enterprise, I would definitely encourage such a concept. I'm all for people starting their own businesses and striving to do better, certainly striving to have wealth. I just don't think that some things we have in our current society need to exist, and a society without them would be a better one.

Still... would I penalize those with much so that few don't starve to death? You're damn right I would.

Free enterprise is great and leads to better lives for all, as long as it has some boundaries. Capitalism is not free enterprise, and leads to monopoly and tyranny. Oddly enough, the same as Communism.

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These places need to be regulated and watched (probably a bit better), but shutting them down is not a viable option.

I feel I addressed the majority of your post with my previous comment, but I have to ask about this one: why not? You outlaw them, and that's that. Anyone caught violating the law is punished. Of course, people break every law in the book all the time, but it would stop the majority.

Anything can be shut down if the will is strong enough. You could stop drug use in this country cold and win the drug war in a year if you executed both drug dealers and addicts when caught. DO NOTE that I DO NOT think this is the proper route to take and is exceptionally cruel, especially to the addicts. Still, it would solve the problem almost completely.

I personally favor complete drug legalization in America if we're talking reality, while I am against any drug use at the same time. I think the drug war only benefits the drug dealers and government, two of my most accursed enemies.

Fair enough. You ever see the one where the guy brings in this old pinball machine, and they give him a pittance for it, then have it restored and sold for like five grand or something around there?

What the hell was the guy thinking taking that to a pawn shop in the first place? Did he really think he'd get anywhere near its worth? Fucking take it to the antique roadshow or something, Jesus Christ.