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Posted: Jul 20 2009 01:46 pm

RobotGumshoe wrote:

Hate to be a golden mean douchebag, but whether government is a good thing is dependent on the situation, so there's not really a hard and fast rule.

Ask yourself a few questions when deciding...

1.Does everybody benefit equally?
2.Is it very difficult to charge for it?
3.Would its complete absence cripple the American economy?

If you answer yes to all three, consider making it a government project. If you answer no to one, consider leaving it to American business(for example, even though the post office qualifies for 1 and 3, it doesn't for 2, so it tends to be mighty inefficient, and lost money despite being the only American endorsed monopoly.).

Government should ensure that business doesn't eliminate capitalism from the equation with things like trusts, and should ensure that no system is created where a business profits or avoids the consequence of failure, and finally that the system is stable enough that a given companies failure doesn't damn the economy with it. Strictly speaking by that definition, this administration so far is a failure, and the tail end of the last one wasn't very hot either.

If you default to business in matters of doubt, and follow the above rules, then American capitalism ensures the success of the country because private ventures understand the cost and benefits of given ventures. Government suffers from being filled with politicians, who can't really feel the repercussions of their actions, and often don't have to. The money is practically imaginary, and is spent so abstractly with such obscure benefits and costs that its like trying to move through a room blind while numb.

I didn't watch the videos, and I'm not going to. I don't need to give Glenn Beck and his ilk a chance every time someone thinks cause the broken clock was right twice yesterday I should set my schedule to it. The modern news cycle has obliterated any form of real dialogue and turned it into a perpetual self indulgent political screed in words, watched by hacks cause it stimulates the lizard brain and seems like something akin to real knowledge. The sooner you tune out this barrage of anti-information, the happier and better informed you will actually be.

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sidewaydriver wrote:

We need a revolution like how the French did theirs, it's time to start beheading some mother fuckers. What we need is a massive upheaval that totally shakes things up, let everything burn to the ground. Then once the smoke clears, we start again, this time with the fear of God put back into everyone lest we have to repeat the same rampage of carnage again. It's like a game of Yahtzee, you don't like what's rolled, you put that shit back in the cup and have another toss at it.

I agree with everything in this except "put the fear of God back into people." What does God have to do with it?

Posted: Jul 20 2009 02:19 pm

JRA wrote:

sidewaydriver wrote:

We need a revolution like how the French did theirs, it's time to start beheading some mother fuckers. What we need is a massive upheaval that totally shakes things up, let everything burn to the ground. Then once the smoke clears, we start again, this time with the fear of God put back into everyone lest we have to repeat the same rampage of carnage again. It's like a game of Yahtzee, you don't like what's rolled, you put that shit back in the cup and have another toss at it.

I agree with everything in this except "put the fear of God back into people." What does God have to do with it?

Just an expression, fear of a literal God is optional.

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...I wish i looked into this thread earlier...

that said i agree with his stimulus package

Posted: Jul 22 2009 11:41 am

If this guy was wearing regular cloths I doubt anyone would take him as seriously.