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PostPosted: May 31 2009 04:04 pm Reply with quote Back to top

there was never a post about jeebus here

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PostPosted: May 31 2009 04:07 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Hacker...please please PLEASE proofread and edit your post before Jeebus finds it. Please. For all our sakes. No... just no.


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PostPosted: May 31 2009 04:57 pm Reply with quote Back to top

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we just need to shut up and eat what we want.

This.

And hacker, wow, Just wow. Win and fail simultaneously.
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PostPosted: Jun 01 2009 05:09 am Reply with quote Back to top

I was a vegetarian for about 3 years. My reasons weren't because I was eating an animal to survive, but more about the way in witch said animals were handled etc etc. Anyhow, the whole we need meat argument is utter bullshit, one of the healthiest persons I know is a vegitarian, but he pays very close attention to his diet and excercises religiously. However, I chose to return to meat because I simply could not balance my diet like he did, and when I started working out again, I found myself to have slow gains, and was generally always tired. Started incorperating animal meat into my diet again, and boom, problem was solved. Animals die to feed other animals, this is the way things are. Even animals die to feed vegetarians from the machines used to harvest crops. I still try to get free range eggs and things like that because I feel bad for the chickens that are cooped up like 10 to a cage and never get to move... I know, I'm a vagina.


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PostPosted: Jun 01 2009 07:25 am Reply with quote Back to top

I don't think there is anything wrong with empathizing with the food you eat. I don't enjoy the idea that something must die for me to live. I sure as hell plan on living, and I sure as hell plan on eating the food that I am designed to survive on.

If the option ever became available to eat a synthetic pill that offered all of the same things that a balanced diet does, I would stop eating meat right now and take that pill. Unfortunately that pill doesn't exist and the consumption of meat is a requirement for humans.

Is it possible to live without meat? Sure, just don't expect to live the maximum potential life duration and don't expect to be hormonally balanced.

Until science can match up with nature in this case, those who feel too much empathy and can't move forward with the natural instinct to eat meat are too quick to evolve away from a necessary evil that is humanity.



 
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PostPosted: Jun 01 2009 11:26 am Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:
If the option ever became available to eat a synthetic pill that offered all of the same things that a balanced diet does, I would stop eating meat right now and take that pill. Unfortunately that pill doesn't exist and the consumption of meat is a requirement for humans.

I wouldn't. I don't eat the foods I eat because they keep me alive; I eat them because they taste good and I enjoy eating them.

As for empathy, it is a luxury of the rich. For the rest of us, it is an excuse for failure. Don't deny yourself success and personal happiness because you're your too busy crying in your room, paralyzed by guilt over problems that have nothing to do with you.
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PostPosted: Jun 01 2009 11:47 am Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
GPFontaine wrote:
If the option ever became available to eat a synthetic pill that offered all of the same things that a balanced diet does, I would stop eating meat right now and take that pill. Unfortunately that pill doesn't exist and the consumption of meat is a requirement for humans.

I wouldn't. I don't eat the foods I eat because they keep me alive; I eat them because they taste good and I enjoy eating them.

As for empathy, it is a luxury of the rich. For the rest of us, it is an excuse for failure. Don't deny yourself success and personal happiness because you're your too busy crying in your room, paralyzed by guilt over problems that have nothing to do with you.

Eating meat is a function of survival for humans. If it weren't I would give it up. However, while it is necessary for a healthy life, I am willing to enjoy it. At the point where we no longer need to kill to survive (which we are no where near) you would really continue to kill to eat Syd? Just because it tastes good? I am sure at that point you would have the alternative to consume other things that taste good without killing.



 
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PostPosted: Jun 01 2009 12:05 pm Reply with quote Back to top

But see, I don't have to kill to eat.

By the time the meat makes it to me, it doesn't even remotely resemble the animal it came from. So given the choice between Eggplant Parmesan and Veal Parmesan, I'm going to take the veal every time, because the veal tastes significantly better.

If I had to slaughter the calves myself, it would be a different story. For two reasons:

1) I'm not sure I could stomach it.
2) Preparing an animal for human consumption is way too much fucking work.

But since I don't have to worry about those things, I don't care. If you feel bad for cows and chicken, consider this: they only still exist because we need them. If they didn't provide us with milk, eggs, and meat, we would have murdered them into extinction long ago.
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PostPosted: Jun 01 2009 01:08 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
But see, I don't have to kill to eat.

By the time the meat makes it to me, it doesn't even remotely resemble the animal it came from. So given the choice between Eggplant Parmesan and Veal Parmesan, I'm going to take the veal every time, because the veal tastes significantly better.

If I had to slaughter the calves myself, it would be a different story. For two reasons:

1) I'm not sure I could stomach it.
2) Preparing an animal for human consumption is way too much fucking work.

But since I don't have to worry about those things, I don't care. If you feel bad for cows and chicken, consider this: they only still exist because we need them. If they didn't provide us with milk, eggs, and meat, we would have murdered them into extinction long ago.

Syd, your reasoning is selfish and unrealistic. At a point when the opportunity to avoid the death of other beings is available with no consequence to the human species we would look at it the same way that we currently view diesel gas or dumping sewage out of our windows onto the road. Newer, safer, healthier methods for doing things are invented all the time and we migrate our lifestyles to work with them so that we don't fuck up our world more than it needs to be fucked up.



 
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PostPosted: Jun 01 2009 01:17 pm Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:
Syd Lexia wrote:
But see, I don't have to kill to eat.

By the time the meat makes it to me, it doesn't even remotely resemble the animal it came from. So given the choice between Eggplant Parmesan and Veal Parmesan, I'm going to take the veal every time, because the veal tastes significantly better.

If I had to slaughter the calves myself, it would be a different story. For two reasons:

1) I'm not sure I could stomach it.
2) Preparing an animal for human consumption is way too much fucking work.

But since I don't have to worry about those things, I don't care. If you feel bad for cows and chicken, consider this: they only still exist because we need them. If they didn't provide us with milk, eggs, and meat, we would have murdered them into extinction long ago.

Syd, your reasoning is selfish and unrealistic. At a point when the opportunity to avoid the death of other beings is available with no consequence to the human species we would look at it the same way that we currently view diesel gas or dumping sewage out of our windows onto the road. Newer, safer, healthier methods for doing things are invented all the time and we migrate our lifestyles to work with them so that we don't fuck up our world more than it needs to be fucked up.

You spoke of some sort of magic pill to eliminate the need for food, and that's unrealistic. Food is delicious and filling. A pill is neither. I don't think I could ever give up meat.


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PostPosted: Jun 01 2009 01:18 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Those examples are very poor ones.

The reason we don't dump chemicals in our rivers and sewage on our streets, is because doing so makes other humans sick, not because doing so kills squirrels and fish.

And I am being very serious and very realistic when I say cows would not exist if they were not raised as livestock. Let's look at cows:

1) They have no natural defenses
2) Their natural habitat requires large spaces when they can graze

If they were not useful to humans, they would have been wiped out in the 19th century, because they take up too much fucking space, space that was required for America to fulfill its Manifest Destiny. We damn near wiped out the American Buffalo for the exact same reason. But since they were a source of meat and milk, cows were allowed to exist.

Let's say a law was passed outlawing cow milk and cow meat were. What do you think is going to happen to all those cows? Euthanasia, probably. That, or they'd all be slaughtered before the legal deadline required to do so, since American legislation never has any sense of immediacy. And then that would be the end of cows. Some might go to zoos, but let's be honest, no one wants to look at a fucking cow.
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PostPosted: Jun 01 2009 01:33 pm Reply with quote Back to top

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PostPosted: Jun 01 2009 01:42 pm Reply with quote Back to top

i read a 400 page book on why we should be vegetarians. It made some great points, but the cost effectivness of vegetarian only it is not where it should be. Good veggies are way expensive and the cheap ones are not even worth eating. It is much easier to be vegetarian in today's world, but like Syd said, I eat food because I enjoy it, not just to keep me alive neccisarily. an all meat diet gets old just like an all veggie diet.
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A few important points about pills:

1) In order to be effective, they must be ingested with some sort of actual food.
2) They are not as effective as getting nutrients from food due to their high potency and the rate at which they absorb into your system.
3) They do not contain any significant amount of calories, and calories are also necessary to survive.
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If you feel bad for cows and chicken, consider this:

"If a cow ever got the chance, he'd eat you and everyone you care about!" ~ Troy McClure
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Syd Lexia wrote:
A few important points about pills:

1) In order to be effective, they must be ingested with some sort of actual food.
2) They are not as effective as getting nutrients from food due to their high potency and the rate at which they absorb into your system.
3) They do not contain any significant amount of calories, and calories are also necessary to survive.

I believe all people should be eating meat and that vegetarianism is ridiculous at this point in time. However, science has this way of moving forwards and when pills/synthetic food is possible would you avoid it out of spite?

I have no doubt that several generations of humans would, but eventually if the synthetic source of nutrition became better sustaining and had less impact on our fellow earth creatures, why fight against it? Just so you can have a tasty burger?

I personally don't think that this will happen in our lives. I am guessing that this debate will be real in 200-300 years, but just like 100 years ago a microprocessor didn't exist and couldn't have even been dreamed of, a food pill seems much more simple.



 
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GPFontaine wrote:
However, science has this way of moving forwards and when pills/synthetic food is possible would you avoid it out of spite?

Yes, I would. I don't like being told what I should do, especially when it's for no other reason than political correctness.

And besides that, I have seen the future. The future is Demolition Man. The future is a bunch of test tube babies eating synthetic meats and singing along with old radio commercials. No thanks.

If that's civilization, then I will be the most uncivilized person I can possibly be.
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GPFontaine wrote:
Syd Lexia wrote:
A few important points about pills:

1) In order to be effective, they must be ingested with some sort of actual food.
2) They are not as effective as getting nutrients from food due to their high potency and the rate at which they absorb into your system.
3) They do not contain any significant amount of calories, and calories are also necessary to survive.

I believe all people should be eating meat and that vegetarianism is ridiculous at this point in time. However, science has this way of moving forwards and when pills/synthetic food is possible would you avoid it out of spite?

I have no doubt that several generations of humans would, but eventually if the synthetic source of nutrition became better sustaining and had less impact on our fellow earth creatures, why fight against it? Just so you can have a tasty burger?

I personally don't think that this will happen in our lives. I am guessing that this debate will be real in 200-300 years, but just like 100 years ago a microprocessor didn't exist and couldn't have even been dreamed of, a food pill seems much more simple.

You are trying to justify to yourself why you eat meat. You do not need meat to survive, or to even live the full extent of your life. Some argue that a vegetarian lifestyle will in fact lead to longer life because it reduces likeliness of getting colon cancer or stomach cancer. You can easily find alternatives to substitute the protein iron or whatever you get from eating meat. Be honest with yourself. You eat meat because it is good and or you are too lazy to plan your diet because eating meat and vegetables is an EASY way to get all your necessary vitamins and minerals. I know that's why I eat meat.


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Eating meat is also cheaper.
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if we had a massive famine worldwide what would vegetarians eat?


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Why do people have to be difficult? What's the big deal with the fact that humans are omnivores? Some of our teeth were designed for the sole person of tearing through meat, and I intend to put those to good use. I also intend to eat fruit and vegetables because salad and fruit are delicious.


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Indeed. I'll eat pretty much anything if it tastes good. My lunch today was:

Fruit salad
Lobster salad
Ham
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Ermac wrote:
if we had a massive famine worldwide what would vegetarians eat?

Each other. It's better than harming defenseless animals I guess.


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Unnecessary translation changes, FTW.
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