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Cattivo
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PostPosted: Jan 21 2009 04:36 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
I'm sad that Reagan isn't on the grid. I imagine he's close to Thatcher though, as they were BFFs.


Yeah, it's weird, on most tests like this they use Reagan as a marker for traditional conservatism

Syd Lexia wrote:
The test is crap though. Most of the questions don't warrant a simple yes/no answer.


It's still better than most internet tests in my opinion. The strongly agree/disagree options allows you to show which issues are more important to you and they therefore count more towards your score.
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DarknessDeku
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PostPosted: Jan 21 2009 04:40 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Cattivo wrote:


It's still better than most internet tests in my opinion. The strongly agree/disagree options allows you to show which issues are more important to you and they therefore count more towards your score.


I agree, this was a good test. The only thing thing it needed was an extra option in between agree and disagree, something like no opinion or mixed feelings.
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PostPosted: Jan 21 2009 04:52 pm Reply with quote Back to top

My results:

Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.38

I suspected as much.
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PostPosted: Jan 21 2009 05:10 pm Reply with quote Back to top

DarknessDeku wrote:
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I agree, this was a good test. The only thing thing it needed was an extra option in between agree and disagree, something like no opinion or mixed feelings.


Exactly. That's what was bugging me about it, I just didn't realize it.


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PostPosted: Jan 21 2009 05:35 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.13

I really disagree with this test. Because of the way the questions in section 5 (religion) were worded, I answered the questions the same way an athiest would have despite the fact I believe in God. I htink the test is designed to push people more towards the bottom left quadrant with the wording of their questions and with multiple questions that read "I am blatantly and openly racist"


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PostPosted: Jan 21 2009 05:41 pm Reply with quote Back to top

[img]http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-4.88&soc=-5.18[/img]

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I hate answering questions like that though.Most of those need a detailed explanation and are not simple questions.


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Cattivo
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PostPosted: Jan 21 2009 05:46 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Dr. Jeebus wrote:
Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.13

I really disagree with this test. Because of the way the questions in section 5 (religion) were worded, I answered the questions the same way an athiest would have despite the fact I believe in God. I htink the test is designed to push people more towards the bottom left quadrant with the wording of their questions and with multiple questions that read "I am blatantly and openly racist"


That's -5 on Economic, not +5? Wow, that's a surprise.

I only remember one question like that.
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PostPosted: Jan 21 2009 05:46 pm Reply with quote Back to top

This test sucked ass. I call for an entirely different test consisting of 100 questions with multiple answers and a no opinion option... No, make it 150 questions.
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PostPosted: Jan 21 2009 05:53 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Updated Chart

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Fred
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PostPosted: Jan 21 2009 05:56 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Economic Left/Right: -5.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.26

Surprising, no?


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PostPosted: Jan 21 2009 05:56 pm Reply with quote Back to top

docinsano wrote:
This test sucked ass. I call for an entirely different test consisting of 100 questions with multiple answers and a no opinion option... No, make it 150 questions.

1000 questions all about back to the future


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PostPosted: Jan 21 2009 05:57 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Dr. Jeebus wrote:
Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.13

I really disagree with this test. Because of the way the questions in section 5 (religion) were worded, I answered the questions the same way an atheist would have despite the fact I believe in God. I think the test is designed to push people more towards the bottom left quadrant with the wording of their questions and with multiple questions that read "I am blatantly and openly racist"

I noticed that too with the religion and race questions, and I answered in the same way you did (I'm guessing based on your post). That probably pushed me farther to the left than I necessarily wanted to. The questions about rehabilitation of prisoners were also tricky. It's been said before, but there should have been a "middle of the road" option.
I'd also like to say great job on the graph, GP. Looks like I'm closest to being a moderate, but still left leaning (I wonder how close I'd be without the skewed racism and religion questions). That's pretty representative of myself, I think.


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PostPosted: Jan 21 2009 06:09 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Yes, I think the questions are definitely worded to push you towards the lower left. I tried my best to look past the baited wording and think about where I stand if the question were worded more unbiased, hence why I ended up where I usually fall... Moderate Libertarian extreme personal freedom and moderate economic freedom.


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PostPosted: Jan 21 2009 06:27 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Cattivo wrote:
Dr. Jeebus wrote:
Economic Left/Right: -5.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.13

I really disagree with this test. Because of the way the questions in section 5 (religion) were worded, I answered the questions the same way an athiest would have despite the fact I believe in God. I htink the test is designed to push people more towards the bottom left quadrant with the wording of their questions and with multiple questions that read "I am blatantly and openly racist"


That's -5 on Economic, not +5? Wow, that's a surprise.

I only remember one question like that.


it is a surprise, but some of the reason:
I'm for things like PBS and public libraries and such, and not against social security


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PostPosted: Jan 21 2009 06:29 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -1.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.10


I feel I'm generally more Leftist and Libertarian than that though.


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GPFontaine
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PostPosted: Jan 21 2009 07:04 pm Reply with quote Back to top

In order to make the graph I used Excel 2007 with a macro designed by Microsoft.

Unfortunately, the macro does not work on OS X. So I can't update the graph until tomorrow morning.

Still, I will update it for anyone else who does the quiz and reports.



 
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PostPosted: Jan 21 2009 07:17 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Economic Left/Right: -5.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.36

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The compilation is great, GP. I'm not surprised that most of the crowd is in the lower-left quadrant. I'm also not surprised that Cattivo is on the right, I mean, Cattivo inherited Reagan's soul after he passed whether he knows it or not. ^_^

Edit: I also didn't care for some of the wording and the lack of ability to answer the questions in depth. It's not too easy with a quiz like that, but still. It's very aggravating. I get the same way when I'm filling out those types of questions for job applications. I think of situations where the statement given isn't true, and then I'm not sure how to respond. Things are gray, not black and white. Regardless, either color (technically, hue) set is depressing.


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PostPosted: Jan 21 2009 07:27 pm Reply with quote Back to top

economic -1.25
social -2.05

So far I am the closest to the center. If there were an option between agree and disagree, I would have likely been almost exactly in the middle. I found most of the questions to be open ended and up for inerpretation. I could have gone either way in many of them depending on the circumstances.


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PostPosted: Jan 21 2009 07:55 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I took it again, because when I took it earlier on my phone, I couldn't save the graph. This time, I ended up slightly more to the right than before. And went from -0.67 to +0.31 on the social scale. This is one of the inherent flaws of the test. The questions are worded in such a way, you are unlikely to get the same score twice even though your basic beliefs haven't changed.

Here's the graph:
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PostPosted: Jan 21 2009 07:59 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.85


Thou, because I am wroth, be not dismayed, for I shall win the strife, whoever circle round within for the defence. This their insolence is not new, for of old they used it at a less secret gate, which still is found without a bolt. Above it thou didst see the dead inscription; and already on this side of it
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PostPosted: Jan 21 2009 08:03 pm Reply with quote Back to top

As someone who has to develop questionnaires like this for social science research, I think it was interesting, with two major issues:

1) the questions were loaded. The way I answered, I felt like a racist.
2) some questions were worded such that your answers came off as double negative. The programmers must have been too lazy to reverse code responses if they worded the questions in a straightforward way.


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Syd Lexia wrote:
I took it again, because when I took it earlier on my phone, I couldn't save the graph. This time, I ended up slightly more to the right than before. And went from -0.67 to +0.31 on the social scale. This is one of the inherent flaws of the test. The questions are worded in such a way, you are unlikely to get the same score twice even though your basic beliefs haven't changed.


Although I agree with the basic point of what you're saying, isn't it kind of unreasonable to expect a test where you get the same score every time? Just because your beliefs haven't changed doesn't mean you'll end up with the exact same score. Its rather human nature to waffle a little bit--I know there were some questions I was a little unsure as to the degree of agreement/disagreement I wanted to assign, and if I took it again I might end up with the other one. Its enough to affect your raw score sure, but not the overall snapshot of where you tend to be politically. Sort of like if I take the SAT I'm probably not going to get exactly the same score every time, even if its the exact same test; but it will always show the essential fact that I'm good at English and really, really suck at math.

That's not to say its a great or even particularly good test (lack of a middle ground answer really does hurt it, and although I didn't notice it at the time I acknowledge what people are saying about the racist-leaning questions), but I'm not sure if I agree that that particular flaw is a dealbreaker.


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PostPosted: Jan 21 2009 08:05 pm Reply with quote Back to top

SoldierHawk wrote:
Syd Lexia wrote:
I took it again, because when I took it earlier on my phone, I couldn't save the graph. This time, I ended up slightly more to the right than before. And went from -0.67 to +0.31 on the social scale. This is one of the inherent flaws of the test. The questions are worded in such a way, you are unlikely to get the same score twice even though your basic beliefs haven't changed.


Although I agree with the basic point of what you're saying, isn't it kind of unreasonable to expect a test where you get the same score every time? Just because your beliefs haven't changed doesn't mean you'll end up with the exact same score. Its rather human nature to waffle a little bit--I know there were some questions I was a little unsure as to the degree of agreement/disagreement I wanted to assign, and if I took it again I might end up with the other one. Its enough to affect your raw score sure, but not the overall snapshot of where you tend to be politically. Sort of like if I take the SAT I'm probably not going to get exactly the same score every time, even if its the exact same test; but it will always show the essential fact that I'm good at English and really, really suck at math.

That's not to say its a great or even particularly good test (lack of a middle ground answer really does hurt it, and although I didn't notice it at the time I acknowledge what people are saying about the racist-leaning questions), but I'm not sure if I agree that that particular flaw is a dealbreaker.


Syd would have to take it a few more times to get a good indication. You can't really tell with an n of 2. But if that variance holds up (i.e. he response sets don't turn into a bell curve and his responses remain something like 15% different), there's something fundamentally flawed with the test.


Thou, because I am wroth, be not dismayed, for I shall win the strife, whoever circle round within for the defence. This their insolence is not new, for of old they used it at a less secret gate, which still is found without a bolt. Above it thou didst see the dead inscription; and already on this side of it
descends the steep, passing without escort through the circles,
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PostPosted: Jan 21 2009 08:14 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Kubo wrote:
SoldierHawk wrote:
Syd Lexia wrote:
I took it again, because when I took it earlier on my phone, I couldn't save the graph. This time, I ended up slightly more to the right than before. And went from -0.67 to +0.31 on the social scale. This is one of the inherent flaws of the test. The questions are worded in such a way, you are unlikely to get the same score twice even though your basic beliefs haven't changed.


Although I agree with the basic point of what you're saying, isn't it kind of unreasonable to expect a test where you get the same score every time? Just because your beliefs haven't changed doesn't mean you'll end up with the exact same score. Its rather human nature to waffle a little bit--I know there were some questions I was a little unsure as to the degree of agreement/disagreement I wanted to assign, and if I took it again I might end up with the other one. Its enough to affect your raw score sure, but not the overall snapshot of where you tend to be politically. Sort of like if I take the SAT I'm probably not going to get exactly the same score every time, even if its the exact same test; but it will always show the essential fact that I'm good at English and really, really suck at math.

That's not to say its a great or even particularly good test (lack of a middle ground answer really does hurt it, and although I didn't notice it at the time I acknowledge what people are saying about the racist-leaning questions), but I'm not sure if I agree that that particular flaw is a dealbreaker.


Syd would have to take it a few more times to get a good indication. You can't really tell with an n of 2. But if that variance holds up (i.e. he response sets don't turn into a bell curve and his responses remain something like 15% different), there's something fundamentally flawed with the test.


Since, as previously mentioned, I suck hardcore at math and don't know a bell curve from a belfry, I'll take your word for it. If what you said translates into "basically the variation is too large for it to be a decent test", that makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up. Smile


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Syd Lexia wrote:
I took it again, because when I took it earlier on my phone, I couldn't save the graph. This time, I ended up slightly more to the right than before. And went from -0.67 to +0.31 on the social scale. This is one of the inherent flaws of the test. The questions are worded in such a way, you are unlikely to get the same score twice even though your basic beliefs haven't changed.

Here's the graph:


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