@om*d wrote:

Believe it or not you could make a living by being a loudmouth who gets "offended" by almost everything. Those types are pure scum and they capitalize on out overly obsessed with being politically correct culture.

I'm not going to deny that someone like this exists, if only because there's just a smaller likelihood that they don't exist, but do you have any examples of people like this in the media? Again, I'm sure someone like that exists, but I've never met anyone with the mentality "I'm going to dedicate my life to chew people out about saying offensive things...but for the eeeeeevulz."

@om*d wrote:

thenose_knows wrote: Am I really supposed to defy my instinct of uncomfortability just to protect everyone's feelings? Cameron wrote: Actually, yes. Are you fucking kidding me? That's bullshit. If someone makes me feel uncomfortable, I reserve the right to tell them they are doing so, or to show my contempt, disgust, etc. That way of thinking is exactly why everything has to be so PC nowadays and our society can't focus on real problems, like what to do about starving or homeless people. That's a real slippery slope argument and just sad that we have reached that point in modern times. "Muslim radicals are making me uncomfortable with their Islamic State and wanton murdering of non-believers, better just play it cool and let them behead everybody!" See how easily that gets used against you? Stupid argument.

I guess I should've clarified; I think it's contextual. I shouldn't have to point out that if someone is decapitating people, you should voice your discomfort with them. But if you're just bitching about the fact that someone is in your presence merely because of their gender, then yes, they shouldn't have to hear about it. I don't see how murderous radicals and transgender people are even comparable. I also don't see how people getting offended by transphobia is the reason why we have starving and homeless people. And while I respect your opinion, I don't really agree with the idea that transphobia isn't a "real" problem.

@om*d wrote:

Examples in the media? Hahaha dude. How about almost every person on any of the "news" channels. MSNBC, Fox News, CNN. Talk radio, certain newspapers, etc. Have you ever heard the names Nancy Grace, Bill O'Reilly, Al Sharpton, Rush Limbaugh, Rachel Maddow... (this could go on for ages) Also just about every politician that exists at every level. Most of those people are in it for the money and pander to shit they could care less about. For a lot of those people... MONEY > MORALS. Hell, most people would throw their morals out the window for enough cash.

This didn't really answer my question. I was asking about people in the media who chew out other people who say offensive things, with malicious intent. I'm not familiar with Rachel Maddow or Al Sharpton, but I know Nancy Grace, Bill O' Reilly and Rush Limbaugh just say offensive things in general, without regard for anyone else.

@om*d wrote:

Murderous radicals and transgenders are both people, therefore they can be compared. Perhaps not how you would like, but it is still possible. However, that is beside the point as you seem to have missed most of the points I have made and I don't care enough about this subject to expend anymore energy in this discussion. Good day.

Good day.

thenose_knows wrote:

The transgendered flight attendant did an excellent job. I never said she (I think that's correct?) didn't. My problem is with that FEAR of being nailed to the wall if I expressed (not verbally, but through subtle body language or what have you) that I was uncomfortable with it. And again, I don't think these people should be verbally antagonized. I thought I was pretty clear about that.

I'm not sure what you mean by subtle body language. In your original post, you said you called someone a "man-lady", which is what I was addressing. Again, you're definitely allowed to feel uncomfortable, but gasping and making a huge ordeal out of someone else's gender (whether they're actually around or not) is definitely something that other people can and do have the right to be upset with you about.

thenose_knows wrote:

I see no reason why I need to "get over it". If I walk down the street in rainbow suspenders, am I really going to be surprised when people point and whisper? That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying that people should verbally antagonize these people. I'm saying that if someone is freaked out by a transgendered person, people need to stop acting like it's the weirdest thing in the world.

That's the thing, though; if you walked down the street and people pointed and whispered at you, why would that be in any way your fault? You aren't asking to be pointed and whispered at, especially for expressing your own identity; no one is. And people not understanding transgender people is definitely nothing new, but I don't see why you or anyone should keep having to perpetuate the cycle of insensitivity. And honestly, I don't know how you refer to someone as "mound of plastic and silicone standing next to me with their sasquatch hands" and you're even kind of surprised that you're pissing people off. It might seem like a joke, but people have and do gone as far as killing themselves over comments like that.

thenose_knows wrote:

but that natural instinct is hard to defy.

I'm sorry, but I don't see why natural instinct is a justification for that kind of behavior. People can have the natural instinct to do whatever they want, but free will still exists.

thenose_knows wrote:

I think my main point pertains to your natural reaction. If you see a transgendered person and turn to the guy next to you and go, "fuck, look at that thing!", then you're an asshole. If someone taps you on the shoulder, and you turn around and see a transgendered person that looks alarming and you jump a little, you've done nothing wrong. Especially if you apologize. The fact that a fear of the latter has been created is horse shit.

Apologies go a long way. I would find it genuinely strange if I saw someone jump at the sight of a transgender person and then claim they weren't doing it on purpose, though. Are you afraid of something?

thenose_knows wrote:

I think my feelings have been misconstrued. I dunno. I don't think transgendered people should be put down, but I think they shouldn't be shocked when someone finds them alien. After that, common decency takes over and it's just like dealing with any other person.

I don't think "shocked" is the right word; people generally aren't shocked or surprised (or at least, I've never met anyone who was), but it can be incredibly depressing or hurtful.

I think I've said enough here, but basically, yes, you have the right to say, think, and feel whatever you want, but only to the extent that it isn't worsening someone else's emotional/psychological well-being.

sidewaydriver wrote:

This whole thread is gay. You guys are a bunch of fags for arguing about all this stuff.

Sidewaydriver enough