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Hyrule Historia/Zelda Timeline Revealed


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Bob Dylan`s Blues
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PostPosted: Dec 22 2011 07:38 pm Reply with quote Back to top

As I understand it its:

1. Ganon defeats Link then … well I don't know, this is the first time I've heard of three timelines
2. Link defeats Ganon then is returned to childhood and goes to warn young Zelda of Ganon. Ganon is sealed in the sacred realm.
3. Link defeats Ganon then goes off on another adventure but Ganon comes back and with Link gone the goddesses flood Hyrule

That's just how I think it is. I think it's more confusing now
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PostPosted: Dec 22 2011 07:53 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Where does Donkey Kong Country 2 fit into the timeline?

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PostPosted: Dec 22 2011 09:34 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Bob Dylan`s Blues wrote:
As I understand it its:

1. Ganon defeats Link then … well I don't know, this is the first time I've heard of three timelines
2. Link defeats Ganon then is returned to childhood and goes to warn young Zelda of Ganon. Ganon is sealed in the sacred realm.
3. Link defeats Ganon then goes off on another adventure but Ganon comes back and with Link gone the goddesses flood Hyrule

That's just how I think it is. I think it's more confusing now


It's incredibly simple though the explanation below wouldn't make it seem that way.

1) Ganon defeats Link in Ocarina of Time and obtains the Triforce. This leads into the events of A Link to the Past: He invades Hyrule and is imprisoned by the Seven Wise Men, and you know the rest.
2) Remember how at the end of Ocarina of Time, Link goes back to his original time and the last scene is Zelda and Link in the palace courtyard? Link warns Zelda of what Ganondorf is planning. Zelda gives him the Ocarina of Time and tells him to get the heck out of dodge, so Link goes hunting for Navi and we get Majora's Mask. On the strength of Link's information, Ganondorf is arrested and put on trial, we see this occur in a flashback during Twilight Princess.
3) This is the Adult Link alternate future. Ganondorf eventually escapes being sealed by the sages at the end of OoT, but Link just isn't there to stop him, having gone back in time. The goddesses flood Hyrule and we get Wind Waker.

tl;dr:
1) Ganon kills link in OoT and gets the Triforce
2) Child Link timeline
3) Adult Link timeline


The only thing that doesn't make sense is the placement of Four Swords Adventures, as the opening to that game implies it's the same Link as in the original, and how did Ganondorf come back from his untimely death in the ending of Twilight Princess? Ah well, we'll find out most likely when I get a better translation of the section from the book that covers those games.


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PostPosted: Dec 22 2011 09:52 pm Reply with quote Back to top

sidewaydriver wrote:
Where does Donkey Kong Country 2 fit into the timeline?

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Along these lines, where does Super Mario RPG fit into the timeline?

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PostPosted: Dec 22 2011 10:22 pm Reply with quote Back to top

LordHuffnPuff wrote:
The only thing that doesn't make sense is the placement of Four Swords Adventures, as the opening to that game implies it's the same Link as in the original, and how did Ganondorf come back from his untimely death in the ending of Twilight Princess? Ah well, we'll find out most likely when I get a better translation of the section from the book that covers those games.

Wind Waker, which I believe was the first game that made any real attempt to explain the Zelda continuity, mentions that every so often a great evil (Ganon) will arise and a hero (Link) will arise to fight it. In that regard, Ganon and Link are locked in an eternal battle, much like Dracula and the Belmonts. Only, instead of one of them being reincarnated every so often and the other's descendants rising to fight the evil, both can apparently be reincarnated.
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PostPosted: Dec 22 2011 10:57 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
LordHuffnPuff wrote:
The only thing that doesn't make sense is the placement of Four Swords Adventures, as the opening to that game implies it's the same Link as in the original, and how did Ganondorf come back from his untimely death in the ending of Twilight Princess? Ah well, we'll find out most likely when I get a better translation of the section from the book that covers those games.

Wind Waker, which I believe was the first game that made any real attempt to explain the Zelda continuity, mentions that every so often a great evil (Ganon) will arise and a hero (Link) will arise to fight it. In that regard, Ganon and Link are locked in an eternal battle, much like Dracula and the Belmonts. Only, instead of one of them being reincarnated every so often and the other's descendants rising to fight the evil, both can apparently be reincarnated.


That kind of sucks. The future is bleak for any kid named Link.
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PostPosted: Dec 22 2011 11:15 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The third split that LordHuff describes is where I get confused because Link isn't missing at all. He goes back in time, but that doesn't mean he goes to an alternate timeline or anything. So Wind Waker shouldn't happen.
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PostPosted: Dec 22 2011 11:19 pm Reply with quote Back to top

why is four swords on there twice?!


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Four swords is on there twice because there's the Gamecube version and the GBA version.
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PostPosted: Dec 23 2011 12:13 am Reply with quote Back to top

Fernin wrote:
sidewaydriver wrote:
Where does Donkey Kong Country 2 fit into the timeline?

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Along these lines, where does Super Mario RPG fit into the timeline?

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We may never know for sure but one thing is certain, Final Fantasy is clearly at the end of the timeline.

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PostPosted: Dec 23 2011 12:38 am Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
LordHuffnPuff wrote:
The only thing that doesn't make sense is the placement of Four Swords Adventures, as the opening to that game implies it's the same Link as in the original, and how did Ganondorf come back from his untimely death in the ending of Twilight Princess? Ah well, we'll find out most likely when I get a better translation of the section from the book that covers those games.

Wind Waker, which I believe was the first game that made any real attempt to explain the Zelda continuity, mentions that every so often a great evil (Ganon) will arise and a hero (Link) will arise to fight it. In that regard, Ganon and Link are locked in an eternal battle, much like Dracula and the Belmonts. Only, instead of one of them being reincarnated every so often and the other's descendants rising to fight the evil, both can apparently be reincarnated.

Objection: Zelda II explains the Zelda continuity.
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PostPosted: Dec 23 2011 01:31 am Reply with quote Back to top

ChaoticIgnorance wrote:
He goes back in time, but that doesn't mean he goes to an alternate timeline or anything. So Wind Waker shouldn't happen.


The timeline he leaves is the alternate timeline. Because in his own original child time Ganondorf is put on trial, the future in OoT never occurs. So you have a divergent timeline.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_travel#Alternate_histories

Syd Lexia wrote:
Only, instead of one of them being reincarnated every so often and the other's descendants rising to fight the evil, both can apparently be reincarnated.


Have you played Skyward Sword yet? Also, it's always the same Ganondorf.


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Alright you guys, I took the liberty of adjusting the timeline. It was a good start but it had a few questionable spots and omissions. I think you'll find this timeline to be much more accurate and definitive. It took me awhile but the clues are all in the games if you look hard enough. It's too big to post here so just click on the link to view it.

http://i.imgur.com/UICGW.jpg


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PostPosted: Dec 23 2011 09:17 am Reply with quote Back to top

You forgot to include the split over whether the king discovers what's for dinner or not.


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PostPosted: Dec 23 2011 10:40 am Reply with quote Back to top

Bob Dylan`s Blues wrote:
That kind of sucks. The future is bleak for any kid named Link.

Not for Linkovitch Chumofsky!


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SWD, you are a brilliant man with too much time on his hands.


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PostPosted: Dec 23 2011 11:55 am Reply with quote Back to top

Seriously, that made me laugh my tits off.

Nintendo assassinating Ryan Dunn just makes perfect sense.


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PostPosted: Dec 23 2011 12:59 pm Reply with quote Back to top

LordHuffnPuff wrote:


The timeline he leaves is the alternate timeline. Because in his own original child time Ganondorf is put on trial, the future in OoT never occurs. So you have a divergent timeline.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_travel#Alternate_histories


Except that the event that would cause a paradox is not him leaving time and traveling to an alternate Hyrule. If it were then we should assume there would be multiple paradox's for every instance that he travels forward or backward. The specific event that would cause the split should be when he warns Zelda of what Ganon will do and she stops him. This would create two realities, each with it's own young link.He wouldn't be missing from either one.


And I must say in regards to the new timeline, Williams doesn't exist in nearly enough timelines in my opinion. So sad. Sad
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There's a theory that any time a timeline could split, it does. Meaning that can't actually change the future, you can only change what timeline you exist in.
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PostPosted: Dec 23 2011 01:34 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I think the three-way split makes more sense if you think of it this way (now that I've pondered it a little)

Timeline 1 - the original timeline where Ganon takes over and makes shit all evil and stuff. The timeline that exists by default when Link doesn't do shit because he disappeared. This is the one that goes off into LttP

Timeline 2 - The timeline that exists when Link defeats Ganon as an adult. This creates a split in the "world is fucked" timeline that branches off into Wind Waker.

Timeline 3 - This one is created after Link beats Ganon in the future, goes back to the past, and prevents the bad future from happening at all by taking the Ocarina. This one splits off into Majora's Mask.

And Sideway, while that was a nice attempt, you completely forgot to account for DKC2. And Smash Bros. And November 12, 1955.
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Now, Mask is a direct sequel to OOT. Adventure of Link is a direct sequel to LOZ. Are any other games direct sequels, or just timeline sequels?
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ChaoticIgnorance wrote:
LordHuffnPuff wrote:


The timeline he leaves is the alternate timeline. Because in his own original child time Ganondorf is put on trial, the future in OoT never occurs. So you have a divergent timeline.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_travel#Alternate_histories


Except that the event that would cause a paradox is not him leaving time and traveling to an alternate Hyrule. If it were then we should assume there would be multiple paradox's for every instance that he travels forward or backward. The specific event that would cause the split should be when he warns Zelda of what Ganon will do and she stops him. This would create two realities, each with it's own young link.He wouldn't be missing from either one.


And I must say in regards to the new timeline, Williams doesn't exist in nearly enough timelines in my opinion. So sad. Sad


Yeah but we only have games for a small number so that's what's included.

Also, this: http://dresdencodak.com/2009/04/19/onald-creely/

Syd Lexia wrote:
Now, Mask is a direct sequel to OOT. Adventure of Link is a direct sequel to LOZ. Are any other games direct sequels, or just timeline sequels?


Well there's Minish Cap/Four Swords/Four Swords Adventures.

And Wind Waker/Phantom Hourglass/Spirit Tracks.

And Oracle of Ages/Seasons.


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PostPosted: Dec 23 2011 02:47 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Are WW/PH/ST really all the same Link, or are you just saying that cuz of the art style? He doesn't age at all! Are we to believe Link has three fantastical adventures between the ages of 12 and 13?

Also, don't the Oracle games take place concurrently?

Also, no one gives a shit about Four Swords.
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PostPosted: Dec 23 2011 02:48 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
Now, Mask is a direct sequel to OOT. Adventure of Link is a direct sequel to LOZ. Are any other games direct sequels, or just timeline sequels?

Link's Awakening is a direct sequel to Link to the past.
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I am ashamed to say, I have never played Link's Awakening. I wasn't big into the GB/GBC. Handheld gaming didn't appeal to me until college, when I had large lectures classes where teachers didn't care if you paid attention and wouldn't confiscate your system. Unlike elementary/high school.
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