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Klimbatize
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| Anyone can make allegations, Klimb. If Douche tells me you're a child rapist, you want me to call the cops immediately, just to err on the side of caution? |
Really? You're smarter than that, Syd. That is some retarded logic. This isn't a case of some random person making the allegation. This was a trusted coach coming to Paterno and saying "I just caught your friend trying to fuck a boy." If someone I trusted came to me with that I'd take it seriously. Rather than just passing the buck, I would find out which one of my close friends was fucked up--either the one who is trying to fuck a boy, or the one who would make up such a crazy lie.
Again, we're not talking about a case of Paterno covering-up one of his coaches paying a player, or hiding an affair...a child is involved and it's every adult's responsibility to protect kids in situations like this, even if it is a little uncomfortable.
It's clear you aren't aware of how a big time football program works. The Coach is next to God on a campus like this. He is one of the biggest entities on the campus. He is a moral compass. Just passing it on to an athletic director is morally irresponsible. Even Paterno himself admits that now. He was involved in a cover-up, pure and simple, and don't be surprised when more and more details come out showing just how much he knew. What we know he knew is already too much. The state prosecutors are already working on a case for both him and the assistant who told him (and didn't go to the proper authorities).
This isn't casual workplace gossip. It was a guy claiming he witnessed a sex act. It should have been taken more seriously. If it had been, the kids this Sandusky guy molested after this shower incident could have been protected as well. That's why you face it up front to begin with--to keep it from happening again.
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Douche McCallister
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First I don't see how protecting Sandusky would be a beneficial move for the school. For them to simply say, "Ok you're no longer allowed to bring kids to school", tells me that "He had sex with a little boy" was never mentioned by anyone. Not even the eye witness. Like I said this witness is now an assistant coach and has seen and talked to Sandusky for the past 9 years. You don't think if he said "I saw Sandusky having sex with a little boy" he wouldn't call the police himself or distance himself from this man.
The fact remains he did neither, and the school continued to allow him to remain on campus which also tells me that there were not enough facts or evidence for whatever reason. I like how the media somehow missed that Sandusky was under investigation before but never makes mention of it. That's typically not information that Joe Pa would be privy to, but PSU officials would. Did the officials have an idea that Sandusky might be doing something horrible, yes I think they did, did JoePa know more than what he was told? No I don't think he did.
If you're JoePa and your 75 years old near the end of your career, at least he should of been, what seems the better direction, Stay and coverup a child molester or go out revealing that someone that was near and dear to your program was witnessed having sex with a little boy. The latter makes you a hero the former makes you a villian. I personally cannot see how a man of his distinguished character carries around a secret of that magnitude, simply hoping it goes undiscovered.
If he reports it and there is no validity to his claim, he looks retarded and senile. He's basically making a judgment call on what a Grad Student told him, and I can't imagine he has a lot of experience dealing with child molesters. He did what he was supposed to do, and he didn't take the risk of completely destroying someone based on someone elses testimony. People are innocent until proven guilty and taking this situation into his own hands, in my eyes was simply out of the question.
Coming up with conspiracy theories that Joe was in on it, and he knew about children being raped is not only disgusting to hear, but disgusting to hear that people believe. But I'm done on the subject, he's been fired, the Eye witness is still a coach, and to about 90% of the world Joe Pa got what he deserved. /End
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Klimbatize
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Hey, I feel bad for Paterno. I don't think he's an evil person or, like I said before, the biggest villain in this situation. But I do think he fucked up. He fucked up enough to justifiably lose his job.
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Syd Lexia
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Klimb, I was just trying to push your buttons because I find your moral outrage towards Paterno to be way over the top.
Paterno says he should have done more because that's the only reasonable response in a situation like this. And hindsight is always 20/20. Colin Powell wishes he hadn't argued for the invasion of Iraq NOW, but at the time it was a very reasonable position.
Living in Boston and having lived through extensive coverage of the Archdiocese sex abuse scandal, I don't see Paterno as a bad guy in this situation or an inept one. I see him as a guy who very cautiously moved ahead on a very serious matter, only to have it covered up by his superiors. His worst crime, as far as I can tell, is not calling the AD and President every week and saying, "So, what's the current word on whether or not Sandusky's been raping kids?" At the same time though, he had every right to believe that they were taking the matter seriously and actually investigating it, and that Sandusky's continued presence of campus was the result of the allegations being found false.
Paterno is certainly no Bernard Law. I see no deliberate cover-up or willful ignorance on Paterno's part.
I think the guy should have been allowed to finish the season. I hope players refuse to suit up for the next game and I hope JoePa chants break out.
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Milhouse
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| The allegations made against Sandusky are life destroying. Once you're labelled a pedophile in the public arena, your life is over and you're guilty even if proven innocent. If someone came to me with allegations like that, I wouldn't call the cops unless I was ABSOLUTELY SURE that could be some veracity to them, especially if it was a longtime coworker whom I had no prior suspicions about. |
Oh please...you're more concerned about his career than a child rape accusation? That's why someone HAD to call the police, so it can be INVESTIGATED. The higher-ups knew shit was definitely wrong because they took away his locker room keys. They KNEW. McQueary should have reported it the very second he saw it OR he should have taken a bat to Sandusky's skull to stop the act.
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Klimbatize
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| Living in Boston and having lived through extensive coverage of the Archdiocese sex abuse scandal, I don't see Paterno as a bad guy in this situation or an inept one. |
You've convinced me. Since there have been worst people in the world, we shouldn't care about this situation.
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| Klimb, I was just trying to push your buttons because I find your moral outrage towards Paterno to be way over the top. |
You're probably right. It's just a few kids affected. They should get used to the fact that life is hard, and sometimes so are the grown men around them.
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JoshWoodzy
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Douche McCallister
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| Klimbatize wrote: |
| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| Living in Boston and having lived through extensive coverage of the Archdiocese sex abuse scandal, I don't see Paterno as a bad guy in this situation or an inept one. |
You've convinced me. Since there have been worst people in the world, we shouldn't care about this situation.
| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| Klimb, I was just trying to push your buttons because I find your moral outrage towards Paterno to be way over the top. |
You're probably right. It's just a few kids affected. They should get used to the fact that life is hard, and sometimes so are the grown men around them. |
These sarcastic responses make it sound like Joe Pa raped the kids and not Sandusky.
Also Josh I choked on my drink when I saw Pedo State University logo.
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Klimbatize
2010 NES Champ
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| Douche McCallister wrote: |
| Klimbatize wrote: |
| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| Living in Boston and having lived through extensive coverage of the Archdiocese sex abuse scandal, I don't see Paterno as a bad guy in this situation or an inept one. |
You've convinced me. Since there have been worst people in the world, we shouldn't care about this situation.
| Syd Lexia wrote: |
| Klimb, I was just trying to push your buttons because I find your moral outrage towards Paterno to be way over the top. |
You're probably right. It's just a few kids affected. They should get used to the fact that life is hard, and sometimes so are the grown men around them. |
These sarcastic responses make it sound like Joe Pa raped the kids and not Sandusky. |
Really? That actually explains a lot. Now I see why you view the situation like you do...poor reading comprehension
Seriously though, I'll repeat it yet again. I've said multiple times that I don't think Paterno is an evil guy. When kids are involved, however, I think it's the duty of adults to follow through on things. Paterno had a trusted advisor tell him that a sex act occurred in the showers of their facilities. More should have been done on Paterno's part, that's all. I don't think he should go to jail (based on what we know so far, anyway), but I do think losing his job is appropriate.
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Cattivo
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| Also asking an 84 year old man what he was told 9 years ago? Regardless of how old you are you are not going to remember what you said verbatim. |
Regardless of age, if you were told your former protege, someone you were grooming to take your place, was doing something of a "sexual nature" with a 10 year old in your workplace's showers, wouldn't that conversation be etched in your brain forever?
On top of that, that would be something that would color your interaction with that man for the rest of your life, and would mandate consistent follow-ups to the situation to get it fully resolved and protect the victim that was in your employer's facilities and to make sure it never happened again to anyone. Not just going along with the final decision to just say "oh, don't bring your underage lovers to campus again, please."
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| I see him as a guy who very cautiously moved ahead on a very serious matter, only to have it covered up by his superiors. |
They might be his superiors on paper, but Paterno practically ran things on that campus. That's not to say he deserves sole responsibility for the university's failing to stop pedophilia (as I said in my earlier post, Spanier & McQueary are equally to blame. And of course, there's the two who have been indicted for perjury), but for someone in his position to do the bare minimum is pathetic and allowed the pervert to continue his horrific behavior. He deserves all that he is getting and more because his university's image and his legacy were more important to him than the numerous victims.
This has to be one of, if not the, worst scandal in sports history, so of course the people in charge are going to be responsible for the inability to prevent these tragedies, and will be punished severely. To expect only a slap on the wrist for Paterno is unrealistic.
Josh, that image is perfect. It just needs to say "Peen" or "Pedo" instead of "Penn."
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Klimbatize
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Cattivo is right on the money.
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Syd Lexia
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You know deserves way more blame than he's getting? Tom "Tommy" Callahan III. He should have done WAY more concerning Sandusky. Fuck that fucking prick.
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Greg the White
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Paterno and McQueary need to get theirs for this, but it's hardly the most important issue in it, and the more I hear, the more freaked out I get when it comes to Sandusky.
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Douche McCallister
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| Cattivo wrote: |
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| Also asking an 84 year old man what he was told 9 years ago? Regardless of how old you are you are not going to remember what you said verbatim. |
Regardless of age, if you were told your former protege, someone you were grooming to take your place, was doing something of a "sexual nature" with a 10 year old in your workplace's showers, wouldn't that conversation be etched in your brain forever? |
My wife said yes when I proposed. That was by far one of the most important days of my life. Besides the word yes, I can't remember anything she said afterwords. Why is everyone avoiding the point that for 9 years McQueary saw and talked to this man for 9 years and did nothing? If he was so distraught it should have been obvious that there was issue. Telling someone that they did what they were supposed to do, but sorry you should of done more is being an asshole. That's like a parent telling a police officer I'm glad you saved one of my children but you really should have saved them sooner.
But like I said he's gone, there is nothing more to say. Let's just focus on the guy who raped the kids, and how much a sick fuck he is, since the media doesn't seem to care.
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Klimbatize
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Douche, your local news must be really negligent. Paterno has received a lot of play because he's the only nationally-known name for sure, but everyone around here has spent a lot of time talking about how much of a scumbag Sandusky is, and how much MacQuery screwed up. ESPN, on both TV and radio, has focused on the hypocrisy of releasing Paterno and keeping MacQuery around.
You have to expect Paterno's name to get mentioned every time because that's who everyone has heard of, and he's the most influential man on that campus, but the other guys have been getting plenty of run as well.
Maybe watch national news or something?
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