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Doddsino
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PostPosted: Nov 09 2010 03:00 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I didn't like District 9 either, simply because I felt the characters could've been handled better without making them walking stereotypes. I guess it's my own problem since I've been more and more anal when I see movies. I expected something completely different when I saw District 9.
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Klimbatize
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PostPosted: Nov 09 2010 03:05 pm Reply with quote Back to top

If you didn't like District 9, you're a Satanist.


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Doddsino
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PostPosted: Nov 09 2010 03:12 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Haha...my mom thinks so too.

I don't know, I guess I'm too much of a traditionalist to enjoy movies that don't allow me to think anymore. But at the same time, I didn't feel any pity for the main character and the prawn-father/son weren't in it enough to care much for them either. Also, I got a little pissed when the main character started killing people simply for his own greed of being turned back to normal. Yes, I know it's a movie, but it's really difficult to turn off my brain when I'm watching this shit.
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SNESGuy
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PostPosted: Nov 09 2010 04:04 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Fook man i still liked it


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Doddsino
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PostPosted: Nov 09 2010 04:44 pm Reply with quote Back to top

It's fine if you like it, I'm just a lot harder to please when it comes to movies.
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SNESGuy
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PostPosted: Nov 09 2010 11:51 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I actually do watch alot of movies on a weekly basis and it wasnt amazing but it was fairly entertaining, me and my friends at school still have the "fook" joke and will probably be using it for quite some time


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PostPosted: Nov 10 2010 12:12 am Reply with quote Back to top

Doddsino wrote:
I didn't like District 9 either, simply because I felt the characters could've been handled better without making them walking stereotypes. I guess it's my own problem since I've been more and more anal when I see movies. I expected something completely different when I saw District 9.

District 9 is terrible. It started off as a Halo movie, and they only got as far as weapon design before the project was shelved. But oh man, they had all these cool weapon designs! So they took a really trite concept, executed it poorly, and threw in the cool weapon designs. District 9 represents the absolute worst aspects of movie production and storytelling. It is a complete disgrace to film-making.

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Watchmen is my favorite graphic novel, so that movie was awesome to me.

The movie doesn't even almost do the graphic novel justice.

As for Sucker Punch, I'm willing to give it a shot. I saw the trailer before Due Date and the entire theater got really quiet during it. Jeebus speculated that everyone wanted to see it, but no one wanted to admit it.
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Doddsino
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PostPosted: Nov 10 2010 12:56 am Reply with quote Back to top

I'm glad Syd decided to tear it apart instead of me, since I tend to shred movies enough already, however I will add onto my previous comment.And like you said, it was like Halo but I would consider it Halo meets the Wolf Man.

What pisses me off the most is you're with this guy for the entire fucking movie. He's basically the only human that's in this movie for more than 3 minutes. Let's break down the character so we can best identify with him. He's a bit dim witted, oblivious to anyone's problems other than his own, whiny, arrogant and not charming or interesting. We spend most of the movie following his fucking plight to fix himself and a lot of times he is willing to throw anyone under the bus to get his way. Building up characters should be the easiest part of movie making, and in this case, it sucked. Also, this movie had little to no supporting cast, unless you count the giant CGI insects who speak in garbles and clicks, so you have no one to fall back on in case the lead character is uninteresting. I was almost buying willing to ignore all that, but then he broke into a military based and killed people who were just trying to do their job, just so he could get his way. In other movies, I might be able to tolerate that, but not when I don't give a shit about the character to begin with. And while I know that not all movies should follow the same character pattern, when you're doing a very basic action story, it would probably be best to make the main character a little more fucking likable.
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PostPosted: Nov 10 2010 01:17 am Reply with quote Back to top

Doddsino wrote:
I'm glad Syd decided to tear it apart instead of me, since I tend to shred movies enough already, however I will add onto my previous comment.And like you said, it was like Halo but I would consider it Halo meets the Wolf Man.

Dodds, Syd was clearly joking and picking at the fact that writer/director Neill Blokamp was originally contacted by Jackson to helm a Halo movie. Bleating and Babbling I'm pretty sure that other than a few slight inconsistencies he enjoyed the movie as much as I did, and plenty of other people here.


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Doddsino
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PostPosted: Nov 10 2010 01:44 am Reply with quote Back to top

Eh...I guess I look for too much in movies nowadays. I seem to be the only person who didn't like District 9.
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Klimbatize
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PostPosted: Nov 10 2010 02:41 am Reply with quote Back to top

That's why he's a great character, Dodds. You loathe him and feel bad for him within a short span of time.

You're pissed because he killed some dudes who were just doing their jobs? The point is that a person will do just about anything to save themselves and get back to the people they love. If that means killing some people who were going to kill him just a few days before, then so be it.

This is the first time I've heard anyone say that the character development in that movie sucked. He changes immensely throughout that movie. He starts out as a pencil pusher, and winds up in the middle of a huge manhunt. At first he's prejudiced against these aliens, quite literally treating them like trash, and then by the end he's sacrificing himself to save a father and son.


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Doddsino
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PostPosted: Nov 10 2010 04:18 am Reply with quote Back to top

You see, that's what I'm talking about. He does change, but it comes after many attempts to screw everyone else over. I at no point felt sorry for his character, and it's literally within the last 10 minutes of the movie that he does the right thing, and by that point, I was just waiting for the movie to be over. I hate to say I could do a better job telling a story, but honestly...I just couldn't stand the guy.

On the contrary, a character such as Alex from A Clockwork Orange works for all the right reasons. There's a character who shows no remorse, is willing to do anything to get his way and in the end, doesn't learn his lesson. And we cheer for him the entire way through.
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PostPosted: Nov 10 2010 06:16 am Reply with quote Back to top

Doddsino wrote:
Eh...I guess I look for too much in movies nowadays. I seem to be the only person who didn't like District 9.


As I said before, I didn't like it either Dodds but for different reasons. I'm not a stickler for character growth or any of that BS; just give me a great, well written, clever and tight action movie and I'm happy. District 9 though tried very hard to be an important film with a message instead of a straight up sci-fi action movie though so they ended up just going back and forth which ruined it for me.

And how can anyone not be hit in the face with the heavy handed message they were preaching? It takes place in South Africa, the aliens are segregated from the general populace, they are victim to routine "inspections" that are usually just an excuse for racial violence and beat downs by a corrupt government, White people are the real enemies!, etc.

I just found it so distracting and lame that I couldn't stop rolling my eyes and it ruined it as the cool, mock doc, sci-fi movie it was supposed to be.
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Klimbatize
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PostPosted: Nov 10 2010 07:21 am Reply with quote Back to top

What's wrong with the message presented in that movie? Just because you understand the symbolism, it ruins it? Do you disagree with the message or something?

The only time I'm annoyed by an underlying message in a movie is when I disagree with it. That's when it could possibly be distracting and keep me from fully enjoying a movie. If I agree with message, then I don't care.

Also, Dodds, you don't like the guy from District 9 for being selfish while trying to save his own life, but you cheer for Alex in A Clockwork Orange? Fuck, I didn't realize people actually rooted for the murderer/rapist/sociopath in that film.


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PostPosted: Nov 10 2010 08:55 am Reply with quote Back to top

What about other films that present a message? Like red dawn or rocky 4 or dawn of the dead


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PostPosted: Nov 10 2010 10:02 am Reply with quote Back to top

What's wrong with the message in District 9 is that it's dumb. I mean, yeah, Apartheid was a very serious issue... TWENTY YEARS AGO. And segregation was a serious issue in America sixty years ago. But what's the point in railing against a defunct system? There isn't one. Hence, it's dumb.

Rocky IV and Romero's Dawn of the Dead presented topical messages. Messages only work when they're of value to the audience.
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DarkMaze
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PostPosted: Nov 10 2010 10:29 am Reply with quote Back to top

That sounds reasonable to me to a certain extent. But what about movies about the Holocaust? Or, as a more pertinent example, the original "V" miniseries, which was a Holocaust allegory. These are often cautionary tales in addition to being cathartic and entertaining ones. They show us that the issue isn't necessarily gone forever, and that we should guard against it.

I might posit runtime as another factor. Blomkamp's original short film "Alive in Joburg", which was in a way the pilot for "District 9", was powerful and brief. I'd suggest the brevity has something to do with its effectiveness.
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PostPosted: Nov 10 2010 10:39 am Reply with quote Back to top

A historical movie is fine, as is a cautionary tale. Humans will always find new and horrible ways to kill each other, and Holocaust-style atrocities still happen in some of the less pleasant places in the world. But again, I have to ask, what's the point of an anti-segregation message, especially one distributed by a major Hollywood studio? What exactly are they cautioning against, if anything? The idea that English-speaking audiences need to be reminded about the dangers of segregation is extremely cynical and extremely unlikely.
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PostPosted: Nov 10 2010 11:36 am Reply with quote Back to top

DarkMaze wrote:
That sounds reasonable to me to a certain extent. But what about movies about the Holocaust? Or, as a more pertinent example, the original "V" miniseries, which was a Holocaust allegory. These are often cautionary tales in addition to being cathartic and entertaining ones. They show us that the issue isn't necessarily gone forever, and that we should guard against it.

I might posit runtime as another factor. Blomkamp's original short film "Alive in Joburg", which was in a way the pilot for "District 9", was powerful and brief. I'd suggest the brevity has something to do with its effectiveness.

Also blomkamp grew up in south africa so this may still be fresh with him. Honestly during the movie I was more corned with the characters and the effects. If there was any concern about a didactic message, they disappeared with the pig launching scene.


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PostPosted: Nov 10 2010 12:46 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Am I the only person who wants to see Sucker Punch because it has hot broads in it? Discuss.


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PostPosted: Nov 10 2010 01:11 pm Reply with quote Back to top

This movie looks absolutely kick-ass.

Whoever doesn't want to see it is part of the "No Fun Allowed" crowd, or takes shit way too seriously.

That's all.


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PostPosted: Nov 10 2010 03:14 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The only thing I liked about District 9 was the crazy Prawn Mech thing, the rest was pretty meh.



 
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Doddsino
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PostPosted: Nov 10 2010 04:08 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Klimbatize wrote:
Also, Dodds, you don't like the guy from District 9 for being selfish while trying to save his own life, but you cheer for Alex in A Clockwork Orange? Fuck, I didn't realize people actually rooted for the murderer/rapist/sociopath in that film.

The difference lied within how the characters were written, as I said before, if the character doesn't have any real characteristics, we have to follow his actions, if his actions are immoral, then we have no reason to like him. District 9 failed on both parts in my opinion, whereas A Clockwork Orange provided such a well written character that we were able to overlook his actions because we identified with his later plight. I know not everyone likes it, but I was just using it as an example of where District 9 could've provided some better character insight.

Maybe the story would've been better if they eased up a little on the action and put a little more plot for the main character. An action movie without a plot is a boring movie, and that's what it was to me. A very lifeless uninteresting movie.
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PostPosted: Nov 11 2010 06:49 am Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
What's wrong with the message in District 9 is that it's dumb. I mean, yeah, Apartheid was a very serious issue... TWENTY YEARS AGO. And segregation was a serious issue in America sixty years ago. But what's the point in railing against a defunct system? There isn't one. Hence, it's dumb.


I can never tell when Syd is kidding or being sarcastic anymore, but this is essentially my feeling. I have no problem with messages and symbolism in movies unless that message is glaringly obvious and beats the audience over the head with it repeatedly, especially when it's a "no duh" message like "APARTHEID WAS BAD OK?" Even though I agreed with it, it was distracting and so plain that I couldn't help rolling my eyes constantly which ruined any hance at enjoying the movie.

It's just annoying when one goes into a movie expecting a cool sci-fi action flick, but instead gets an after school special about racism and segregation. Bleh.
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PostPosted: Nov 11 2010 11:43 am Reply with quote Back to top

Pandajuice wrote:
It's just annoying when one goes into a movie expecting a cool sci-fi action flick

In fairness, that may have in part been due to the marketing, which is often out of the filmmaker's control. If Blomkamp had cut the trailers, perhaps expectations might have been set differently.
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