Poll :: What do you think about capital punishment?
Murderers, pedophiles, and rapists should get it.
44%
[ 12 ]
Just murderers
22%
[ 6 ]
Killing in anyway is wrong, it shouldn't be around
22%
[ 6 ]
The one above is a hippie liberal and is wrong.
11%
[ 3 ]
Total Votes : 27
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SteelBallRun
Title: Kenka Bancho
Joined: May 05 2010
Posts: 227
Posted:
Oct 18 2010 09:29 pm
Quote:
Also, there have been countless executions where later the person was found innocent. While this may not mean a whole hell of a lot to you guys, it certainly would if a loved on of yours was executed only to be found innocent after they have been taken from you.
Not quite. Last I checked two years ago, the number of repealed cases was around 200-ish, it's not like we're just killing them left and right with no questions asked. The average inmate spends 20 years on death row before actually receiving said punishment and thus has lots of chances for appeals, retrials and such.
Personally, I feel that there are a small handful of crimes that would earn such a sentence.
GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 11244
Posted:
Oct 18 2010 10:48 pm
For better or for worse, we fuck up the death penalty on way too many levels. It is easier and cheaper not to have it. I am not suggesting that we let criminals get away with murder, but I think that the negativity that comes from the processes drags us further down.
Why should lawyers and courts benefit from tragedy. I'd rather see that money go to positive things in society. It isn't a balance by any means, but I'd rather see all the money that pays for the death penalty be pushed directly into public education or research towards more efficient energy.
Rogue Hippo
Title: Lone Wolf Hippo
Joined: Jun 28 2010
Location: America's Wang
Posts: 245
Posted:
Oct 18 2010 10:49 pm
I voted for #1 but after reading all the posts, 'no death penalty' is winning the argument.
Personally I think out legal system sucks. I'd prefer a king who could dispatch justice as he saw fit. I'll volunteer to be king... I love poetic justice.
SNESGuy
Title: El Duderino
Joined: Jul 31 2010
Location: Da D.C
Posts: 1831
Posted:
Oct 18 2010 11:10 pm
Rogue Hippo wrote:
I voted for #1 but after reading all the posts, 'no death penalty' is winning the argument.
Personally I think out legal system sucks. I'd prefer a king who could dispatch justice as he saw fit. I'll volunteer to be king... I love poetic justice.
Thats retarded haha
Klimbatize
2010 NES Champ
Title: 2011 Picnic/Death Champ
Joined: Mar 15 2010
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 5000
Posted:
Oct 18 2010 11:12 pm
All moral implications aside, all of you death penalty supporters who keep saying they shouldn't keep paying to keep these guys alive need to go do some research and educate yourselves. It costs FAR more government money to keep a death row inmate than simply having a guy locked up for life. Because of our civil rights, we are allowed to appeal and drag shit out as long as possible to eliminate any doubt that you're guilty--though that still sometimes doesn't work since it's a fact that people have been executed only to discover they were innocent after the fact. All of those appeals cost taxpayer money. And you know what, it should be that way. You shouldn't want to start eliminating civil rights because they are put in place to protect the innocent, disadvantaged, and disenfranchised as much as possible.
Bottom line, the financial argument actually supports eliminating the death penalty. This isn't fucking Judge Dredd where cops catch a guy, they find him guilty, and execute him on the spot. It's a longer and more expensive process than that.
A Hispanic dude living in Arizona knows a lot of Latinas? That's fucking odd.
Laminated Sky
Title: Extra Crispy
Joined: Feb 25 2008
Location: Etobicoke
Posts: 885
Posted:
Oct 18 2010 11:47 pm
Valdronius is a genius; some people need to die in the most cheap and effective way. I agree, the guillotine is and awfully good and effective way to kill someone, cheap too. Why the fuck do taxpayers pay to let criminals eat? Society is too unefficient with criminals.
If you haven't click on the link above you should he makes a valid point. Err... no pun intended?
I'm so bananas I'm showing up to your open casket,
to fill it up with explosive gases,
and close it back,
with a lit match in it,
while I sit back, and just hope it catches.
Blow you to fragments,
laugh,
roll you, and smoke the ashes.
Personally I think out legal system sucks. I'd prefer a king who could dispatch justice as he saw fit. I'll volunteer to be king... I love poetic justice.
I vote Vald. He has the right idea!
ThisIsTunaWithBacon
@om*d
Title: Dorakyura
Joined: Jul 10 2010
Location: Castlevania
Posts: 4226
Posted:
Oct 19 2010 03:44 am
Kill all humans, problem solved.
Burt Reynolds
Title: Bentley Bear
Joined: Apr 07 2008
Location: California
Posts: 1399
Posted:
Oct 19 2010 04:45 am
Gp and Klim summed it up much nicer than me. Why do people think the death penalty is cheaper? It doesn't even take that much research to discover that it's significantly more expensive to keep someone on death row. Also, 200 people that were wrongly accused and put to death is quite a large number considering how relatively infrequently the death penalty is handed out. If we went to you guys Judge Dread style of execution, those numbers would increase exponentially.
Also, Usa is right, this is complete flame bait. The subject itself would be legit if it wasn't for the fact that the person posting it gave options on the poll and then his first post is essentially, "Kill 'em all and your a hippie liberal jackass if you disagree with me"
Dances with Wolves 2 is gonna ROCK!
Laminated Sky
Title: Extra Crispy
Joined: Feb 25 2008
Location: Etobicoke
Posts: 885
Posted:
Oct 19 2010 05:05 am
They say: "justice is blind" and I say humans are incompetent. There will never be an effecient way of killing people. It is sad really...
Where is Caligula when you need him?
I'm so bananas I'm showing up to your open casket,
to fill it up with explosive gases,
and close it back,
with a lit match in it,
while I sit back, and just hope it catches.
Blow you to fragments,
laugh,
roll you, and smoke the ashes.
First of all, Anthraxinsoup is a doo-doo head. And a nazi.
Second of all, you guys are all missing the point: CHEAP LABOR. Yeah. Let's use criminals and labor as a means of resocialization. Think about how much manpower is wasted by keeping prisoners in prisons, while they could be, like, building roads. Working in a coal mine. Digging ditches! Flipping burgers!
Seriously. Death penalty means less work gets done, and if Anthraxinsoup really thought about what the "socialist" part of his bullshit "national socialism" means, he would be all for work punishment and not the death penalty. Well, he wants to kill potential labourers, so he's just a stupid hatemonger with a small penis.
Also, quit trolling, you guy. You already got banned from the chatroom. Thin ice, buddy.
I now bestow upon you the title of Most Awesome Person.
Atma
Title: Dragoon
Joined: Apr 29 2010
Location: Cincinnati, OH
Posts: 2450
Posted:
Oct 19 2010 09:34 am
Klimbatize wrote:
All moral implications aside, all of you death penalty supporters who keep saying they shouldn't keep paying to keep these guys alive meed to go do some research and educate yourselves. It costs FAR more government money to keep a death row inmate than simply having a guy locked up for life. Because of our civil rights, we are allowed to appeal and drag shit out as long as possible to eliminate any doubt that you're guilty--though that still sometimes doesn't work since it's a fact that people have been executed only to discover they were innocent after the fact. All of those appeals cost taxpayer money. And you know what, it should be that way. You shouldn't want to start eliminating civil rights because they are put in place to protect the innocent, disadvantaged, and disenfranchised as much as possible.
Bottom line, the financial argument actually supports eliminating the death penalty. This isn't fucking Judge Dredd where cops catch a guy, they find him guilty, and execute him on the spot. It's a longer and more expensive process than that.
I was proven wrong on my argument, and I linked it in an eariler post in this thread. It is indeed, far cheaper for someone to be kept in prison for life, than to give them the death penalty.
I never would have guessed it.
EDIT: After reading Val's thing, it was awesome.
Also, what if we just made a secure island and threw everyone bad out there and made them live survior style. If they killed each other off or made little island gangs or whatever who cares. Its prisoner island. We don't have to deal with them, and they aren't fucking with us.
Just tell them before we send them off, if anyone sees you off the island, they can shoot you on site.
Just spitballing here.
UsaSatsui
Title: The White Rabbit
Joined: May 25 2008
Location: Hiding
Posts: 7565
Posted:
Oct 19 2010 09:58 am
Quote:
Also, what if we just made a secure island and threw everyone bad out there and made them live survior style. If they killed each other off or made little island gangs or whatever who cares. Its prisoner island. We don't have to deal with them, and they aren't fucking with us.
I advocate this. We even have some uninhabited islands in the Pacific that would be great for it.
Also, what if we just made a secure island and threw everyone bad out there and made them live survior style. If they killed each other off or made little island gangs or whatever who cares. Its prisoner island. We don't have to deal with them, and they aren't fucking with us.
I advocate this. We even have some uninhabited islands in the Pacific that would be great for it.
I now bestow upon you the title of Most Awesome Person.
UsaSatsui
Title: The White Rabbit
Joined: May 25 2008
Location: Hiding
Posts: 7565
Posted:
Oct 19 2010 10:05 am
Nekkoru wrote:
UsaSatsui wrote:
Quote:
Also, what if we just made a secure island and threw everyone bad out there and made them live survior style. If they killed each other off or made little island gangs or whatever who cares. Its prisoner island. We don't have to deal with them, and they aren't fucking with us.
I advocate this. We even have some uninhabited islands in the Pacific that would be great for it.
You people and your short attention span.
Holy shit, that's exactly the one I was thinking of!
Also, what if we just made a secure island and threw everyone bad out there and made them live survior style. If they killed each other off or made little island gangs or whatever who cares. Its prisoner island. We don't have to deal with them, and they aren't fucking with us.
I advocate this. We even have some uninhabited islands in the Pacific that would be great for it.
You people and your short attention span.
Holy shit, that's exactly the one I was thinking of!
So was it just luck that the British "Prisoner Island" also has the deadliest species in the world on it? Or pre-planned hoping it killed them all off?
GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 11244
Posted:
Oct 19 2010 11:58 am
Nekkoru wrote:
Second of all, you guys are all missing the point: CHEAP LABOR. Yeah. Let's use criminals and labor as a means of resocialization. Think about how much manpower is wasted by keeping prisoners in prisons, while they could be, like, building roads. Working in a coal mine. Digging ditches! Flipping burgers!
Ya know... our resident Tetris block might be on to something... Only this is 2010, not 1950. Putting murderers out in the corn fields or on th sides of highways scares me more than keeping them in jail... however, we do have a huge energy problem in this country.
What if we invented the Matrix to harbor criminals while they are incarcerated? They can let their minds do whatever in their mental trap while we harvest the energy from their bodies. We won't need cages for them or large plots of land for prisons. We won't need to worry about them acting up because who gives a shit if it is in their head?
So in summary, we reduce the amount of resources required for prisons, we reduce tax dollars needed for clothing, beds, and other constant things included with prisons. We wouldn't need as many security officers since all criminals would not be conscious. Best of all, if someone actually is proven innocent, we can just take them out.
AtmanRyu
Title: The Wandering Dragon
Joined: Jun 25 2009
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 986
Posted:
Oct 19 2010 12:46 pm
Yeah, cheap labor, but then we'll be having the same issue that we're having with illegal immigration:
On the other hand, they could simply turn the death penalty into a reality show, yanno, like the Running Man? I really doubt there's gonna be an Arnold Schwarzenegger to ruin it for everyone.
How about instead of killing them you kinda do what England did and ship them to an island. Maybe drop them off in the middle of the desert, or in the middle of the jungle. Make them fend for themselves and if they survive and find a way back I'm sure they won't want to go through it again.
ORRRRRR
We could make our prisons less like resorts and more like 3rd world countries. "What's that you're homeless, well just commit a crime and you can go to jail and eat and sleep in comfort." Fuck that noise. If you commit a felony you go to the rusty bar, dirt floor, dank dungeon-esque jail where you will get food but it's up to you to eat it. TV? Never heard of it. Activity time? Fuck you draw on your walls.
Syd Lexia
Site Admin
Title: Pop Culture Junkie
Joined: Jul 30 2005
Location: Wakefield, MA
Posts: 24887
Posted:
Oct 19 2010 06:20 pm
I don't believe in rehabilitation; I believe in punishment. Death penalty all the way.
All moral implications aside, all of you death penalty supporters who keep saying they shouldn't keep paying to keep these guys alive meed to go do some research and educate yourselves. It costs FAR more government money to keep a death row inmate than simply having a guy locked up for life. Because of our civil rights, we are allowed to appeal and drag shit out as long as possible to eliminate any doubt that you're guilty--though that still sometimes doesn't work since it's a fact that people have been executed only to discover they were innocent after the fact. All of those appeals cost taxpayer money. And you know what, it should be that way. You shouldn't want to start eliminating civil rights because they are put in place to protect the innocent, disadvantaged, and disenfranchised as much as possible.
Bottom line, the financial argument actually supports eliminating the death penalty. This isn't fucking Judge Dredd where cops catch a guy, they find him guilty, and execute him on the spot. It's a longer and more expensive process than that.
I was proven wrong on my argument, and I linked it in an eariler post in this thread. It is indeed, far cheaper for someone to be kept in prison for life, than to give them the death penalty.
I never would have guessed it.
EDIT: After reading Val's thing, it was awesome.
Also, what if we just made a secure island and threw everyone bad out there and made them live survior style. If they killed each other off or made little island gangs or whatever who cares. Its prisoner island. We don't have to deal with them, and they aren't fucking with us.
Just tell them before we send them off, if anyone sees you off the island, they can shoot you on site.
Just spitballing here.
I am posting this as a second post just to stay on-topic and keep it off of yelling at me cause of my political views. The "fees" and "cost" you are thinking of also include the 20 years to pay for him to sit on death row, the trails, and re-trails, an re-trails, it only takes about 500$ max to do the real killing. If I was in rule, it would take about a week to kill 'em, and cost me 25 cents for the real killing.
Blackout
Title: Captain Oblivious
Joined: Sep 01 2007
Location: That Rainy State
Posts: 10376
Posted:
Oct 20 2010 12:20 am
Douche McCallister wrote:
How about instead of killing them you kinda do what England did and ship them to an island. Maybe drop them off in the middle of the desert, or in the middle of the jungle. Make them fend for themselves and if they survive and find a way back I'm sure they won't want to go through it again.
ORRRRRR
We could make our prisons less like resorts and more like 3rd world countries. "What's that you're homeless, well just commit a crime and you can go to jail and eat and sleep in comfort." Fuck that noise. If you commit a felony you go to the rusty bar, dirt floor, dank dungeon-esque jail where you will get food but it's up to you to eat it. TV? Never heard of it. Activity time? Fuck you draw on your walls.
Fuck that, if they draw on the walls beat em!
nihilisticglee
Joined: Oct 12 2007
Posts: 821
Posted:
Oct 20 2010 12:36 am
Anthraxinsoup wrote:
If I was in rule, it would take about a week to kill 'em, and cost me 25 cents for the real killing.
As of 2009, 138 people have been released from death row since 1973. Using your system, 138 innocent people would been killed, meaning you killed more innocent people than any actual murderer*. Congratulations.
Anyways, I am against the death penalty. That is pretty much all I have to add that hasn't already been said.
* I don't know any cases of murder that tally more than 10, so feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
