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Posted: Sep 12 2010 02:18 pm

i'll_bite_your_ear wrote:

i don't know. i have no opinion to 9/11. its just another terrible thing that happened somewhere to some people i don't know. seems not special to me. i also consider terrorism not as a probably to me.

Again, that's because you were probably 5 years old or so when it happened. If you're not from the US, or were just barely sentient when the attacks happened, you won't have much of an opinion about it because you didn't experience it. At least be objective enough to realize that and attempt to imagine how it must have been to people who were there, or those of us who watched it happening live on TV.

It's like the JFK assassination to those of us who were born almost 20 years after it occured. But to those who were there, and were alive at the time remember it being just totally shocking and devastating that such a thing could happen.

Just imagine how you'd react if you turned on the news tomorrow and saw the Golden Gate Bridge reduced to a blazing twist of metal and hearing that 3,000 Americans were murdered by some kind of semi-truck explosion.

It was a very insane and unbelievable day for most Americans as one of our most recognizable and beloved landmarks just wasn't there anymore, as if it never existed at all.

Posted: Sep 12 2010 02:42 pm

Blackout wrote:

Seriously, what's up with the cars burned to down to the metal? There's no fire burning on he ground when he filmed... Confused

Conspiracy man......

UsaSatsui's Youtube Channel · Posted: Sep 12 2010 03:02 pm

Something else that bugs me. The comparison to Pearl Harbor. Not to minimize the people who died there, but the attack on Pearl Harbor was at least an attack upon a legitimate military target, by a nation we were hostile towards (not at war yet, but they so weren't our buddies), for a legitimate military reason. There's a big difference between that, and flying airplanes filled with civilians into buildings filled with civilians.

And honestly, I can understand if people from other countries don't give a flying DeLorean about it. To be honest, while we sympathize for your disasters, and are willing to help if you need it, we really don't care about yours either. Disasters are an extremely national thing.

Posted: Sep 12 2010 03:30 pm

UsaSatsui wrote:

Something else that bugs me. The comparison to Pearl Harbor. Not to minimize the people who died there, but the attack on Pearl Harbor was at least an attack upon a legitimate military target, by a nation we were hostile towards (not at war yet, but they so weren't our buddies), for a legitimate military reason. There's a big difference between that, and flying airplanes filled with civilians into buildings filled with civilians.

And honestly, I can understand if people from other countries don't give a flying DeLorean about it. To be honest, while we sympathize for your disasters, and are willing to help if you need it, we really don't care about yours either. Disasters are an extremely national thing.

I agree with this 100%. Like you said. Pearl Harbor was completely Military based, those people were in the Military during a time where the world was extremely unstable. Its still sad, but it was against Uniformed Soldiers where 9/11 was against people who were just "on the way to work" or traveling from A to B.

Also your right about the National Disasters. You don't care about the US's disasters, we don't really care about yours. Its all politics for why we even provide Aid.

Posted: Sep 12 2010 03:53 pm

UsaSatsui wrote:

Something else that bugs me. The comparison to Pearl Harbor. Not to minimize the people who died there, but the attack on Pearl Harbor was at least an attack upon a legitimate military target, by a nation we were hostile towards (not at war yet, but they so weren't our buddies), for a legitimate military reason. There's a big difference between that, and flying airplanes filled with civilians into buildings filled with civilians.

And honestly, I can understand if people from other countries don't give a flying DeLorean about it. To be honest, while we sympathize for your disasters, and are willing to help if you need it, we really don't care about yours either. Disasters are an extremely national thing.

Yea definitley this.

Pearl Harbor was still an ambush, but a far less "cowardly" attack than what we saw on 9/11. The comparison is stupid and unfounded. Plus we lost more American lives on 9/11.

Posted: Sep 12 2010 04:54 pm

Man, 9/11 totally fucked it up for all the honest hijackers who just wanted money and to go somewhere

Joined: Dec 06 2008 Location: Pearland, TX Posts: 88

I read an article once that pertains to this. It was about man's inability to be sensitive about death or disaster unless it affects him on some personal level.

If you think about it, we have only had true worldwide communication for a few centuries. Whether you believe man has been in existence for 6000 or some odd millions of years, we really haven't had time to adapt to this new-found information we are loaded with on the TV. If we can't easily sympathize about life lost across the country, or internationally, it could have something to do with our brain chemistry.

However, this is not to imply we can't experience true emotion about tragedy.
That sort of thing typically comes with age and experience, and a deeper understanding about how things like this affect others. Anyway you look at it, America is a very
desensitized nation, and its inhabitants may never again relate on the level intended.
Just some food for thought...

Posted: Sep 12 2010 06:55 pm

Rogue Hippo wrote:

I think airport security is a total waste of time. Everything they check for is completely reactionary:

-9/11 hijackers use box cutters... OK, we'll ban box cutters, swiss army knives, nail files, etc.
-guy attempts to blow homemade bottle bomb... OK, we'll ban any container that can hold liquid.
-guy attempts to blow homemade shoe bomb... OK, now everyone has to take their shoes off and have them scanned.

Way to stay 1 step behind the enemy. And none of that stopped the underwear bomber. Now they need to add 'chem sniffers' which won't stop the next attempted attack.

And yet even with all of those security rules, it seems like any undercover news journalist can sneak any of the above items onto a plane at will.

Like people have already said, the real effect of airport security is creating a large cluster of people that are extremely vulnerable to a bomber.

So far, after the billions of dollars spent on security, the best defense has been alert passengers who tackle a guy as he tries to light his bomb.

First I'd like to mention that this isn't being directed at you or anyone in particular but just represent my thoughts in general.

A point I'd like to mention beyond what Satsui said... If those things listed above had been scanned for before attacks were made with them people would've bitched just the same. The only difference is instead of people going "Why ban it now, they've already done that." it would be "Why the hell is this banned, they've never tried it."

If there's any little inconvenience with the way security is set up, any little set back, for something "stupid" like the potential sake of your safety or the safety of the thousands around you, hell why not bitch about it? At least that seems to be most people's standard.

I go through airport security probably 10-20 times a year, I've had a few experiences where I've been pulled aside and yes, it can be a pain in the ass, but that's why airlines suggest you get to the airport an hour and a half early. I mean hell I don't see what's so bad about being delayed the right to wait at your terminal to help ensure some additional safety.

Posted: Sep 12 2010 07:19 pm

If I seem insensitive to 9/11, I apologize. I prefer to think of myself as mature, because I've moved on. You can only dwell on things for so long.

My paternal grandmother died on September 11th, 2004 of bone cancer. It was really sad. I was upset for several months. 6 years later, it's still sad, but I don't cry about it anymore. And if I can get over the death of someone I loved dearly in 6 years, I don't see why I wouldn't be able to get over the deaths of 3000 people to whom I have no tangible connection when it happened more than 6 years ago.

Not to be rude, or callous, but thousands of people die every day. If we mourned every major tragedy that ever occurred, nothing would ever get done. There's not a day on the calendar when a train didn't derail, a bloody battle didn't happen, an earthquake didn't hit, or a ship didn't sink.

Life is for the living.

Posted: Sep 12 2010 09:14 pm

Syd, sorry to hear about your loss, but that's my take on the matter too. I lost a grandfather to laryngeal cancer on September 11th, 1999 and I've gotten past it too. Our country needs to do the same, I think. And, being the guy who drew the Pearl Harbor comparison, I'd like to note that I'd mentioned it was a military on military attack in the first place.

Also, this: http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?id=1250751&22

Going back and reading it again, it's something I think's pretty pertinent to the discussion.

Posted: Sep 13 2010 12:10 am

Geeze, sorry dudes. That's creepy all that bad shit happened on 9/11.

Posted: Sep 13 2010 06:39 am

Syd Lexia wrote:

Not to be rude, or callous, but thousands of people die every day. If we mourned every major tragedy that ever occurred, nothing would ever get done. There's not a day on the calendar when a train didn't derail, a bloody battle didn't happen, an earthquake didn't hit, or a ship didn't sink.

Life is for the living.

I'm not sure if people are advocating that we should have a daily mourning session where we all say prayers and cry into our shirt sleeves. I think it's enough to remember it, study it, and try to sympathize with those human beings who were trapped in the tower or hurtling to their certain doom in the airplanes.

Just because it was 9 years ago doesn't mean we should just forget it ever happened, just like you should never forget about your grandmother's existence. You don't have to cry about her passing every year, but it is nice to remember her on her birthday, even if you have moved on past the shock and grief.

Posted: Sep 13 2010 07:05 am

Let's be serious. No one's ever going to forget. Ever. It's already in the history books. My children and grandchildren are going to have to write papers for fifth grade history class about what I doing on 9/11.

But maybe it's time to peel the NEVER FORGET and THESE COLORS DON'T RUN bumper sticks off everyone's SUVs.

Posted: Sep 13 2010 01:18 pm

UsaSatsui wrote:

Something else that bugs me. The comparison to Pearl Harbor. Not to minimize the people who died there, but the attack on Pearl Harbor was at least an attack upon a legitimate military target, by a nation we were hostile towards (not at war yet, but they so weren't our buddies), for a legitimate military reason. There's a big difference between that, and flying airplanes filled with civilians into buildings filled with civilians.

And honestly, I can understand if people from other countries don't give a flying DeLorean about it. To be honest, while we sympathize for your disasters, and are willing to help if you need it, we really don't care about yours either. Disasters are an extremely national thing.

Agreed on the Pearl Harbor issue, although I think the comparission is more to the national sense of shock and outrage than the specifics of the events themselves. You do bring up a good point though.

However, its worth remembering that, at least initially after 9/11, just about the entire world was mourning and at least a little bit in shock with us. I remember candlelight vigils held in almost every major city around the world. The one I remember the most happened in France...I didn't cry much during 9/11 (too numb, really) but when I saw a huge group of Parisians (PARISIANS!) gathered outside Notre Dame, and when they started singing *our* national anthem...yeah, that did it.

Wizard Joined: Jun 12 2009 Posts: 4209

Meh. I was still preteen when it happened. I can't say I remember much, except for school being canceled early. Which was a good thing in my books, but after I learned about it the next day or so, I felt terrible for celebrating early release.

That having been said, I think it's time we move on. It happened 9 years ago. Jesus.

Posted: Sep 14 2010 10:23 pm

Im in the same boat as Drew, but living in the D.C. area people did panic. Just recently my Auto Shop told me that on 9/11 a few people he worked with in Wisconsin freaked out, ran to the mountains, and grabbed food, guns, and ammunition. This was a terrible day yes, and people had a right to panic, but that just scared me

Posted: Sep 14 2010 11:28 pm

I remember waking up and walking into the living room half-asleep. I thought my dad was watching some action movie, then I noticed it was airing on CNN.

UsaSatsui's Youtube Channel · Posted: Sep 15 2010 12:03 am

It's 9/15 now. We can stop caring until next year.

Posted: Sep 15 2010 12:07 am

snesguy1012 wrote:

Im in the same boat as Drew, but living in the D.C. area people did panic. Just recently my Auto Shop told me that on 9/11 a few people he worked with in Wisconsin freaked out, ran to the mountains, and grabbed food, guns, and ammunition. This was a terrible day yes, and people had a right to panic, but that just scared me

Not to sound stalkerish or anything, but where in the DC area do you live? I just moved to Annandale.

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I'm not saying we should make a holiday out of it or push it in peoples faces with magnets and stickers, but we don't have to be total washouts about it.

And yeah, I may make jokes in bad taste sometimes, but I still know tragedy.

We don't have to stop the presses for 9/11, but we can still avoid outright not giving a shit. The Japanese build shrines in their houses to pray to deceased loved ones, but they still get up and go to work and play baseball and stuff every day.

2010 SLF Tag Champ Joined: Jun 07 2006 Posts: 12294

Also, if you're foreign or under age, it's understandable to be distanced from the emotion of the topic at hand, because you werent really involded. No fault of yours, but you should also be distanced from the discussion of the topic for the same reason. It's like a guy that reads books about trains trying to relate to an engineer.

Posted: Sep 15 2010 09:17 am

I think FNJ hit the nail on the head.

2010 SLF Tag Champ Joined: Jun 07 2006 Posts: 12294

but yeah, four days ahve passed. lets get back to arguing about dead celebrities and magic cards.

Posted: Sep 16 2010 12:00 am

Andrew Man wrote:

snesguy1012 wrote:

Im in the same boat as Drew, but living in the D.C. area people did panic. Just recently my Auto Shop told me that on 9/11 a few people he worked with in Wisconsin freaked out, ran to the mountains, and grabbed food, guns, and ammunition. This was a terrible day yes, and people had a right to panic, but that just scared me

Not to sound stalkerish or anything, but where in the DC area do you live? I just moved to Annandale.

Fairfax station my mans

Posted: Sep 19 2010 11:35 am

Pandajuice wrote:

i'll_bite_your_ear wrote:

i don't know. i have no opinion to 9/11. its just another terrible thing that happened somewhere to some people i don't know. seems not special to me. i also consider terrorism not as a probably to me.

Again, that's because you were probably 5 years old or so when it happened. If you're not from the US, or were just barely sentient when the attacks happened, you won't have much of an opinion about it because you didn't experience it. At least be objective enough to realize that and attempt to imagine how it must have been to people who were there, or those of us who watched it happening live on TV.

It's like the JFK assassination to those of us who were born almost 20 years after it occured. But to those who were there, and were alive at the time remember it being just totally shocking and devastating that such a thing could happen.

Just imagine how you'd react if you turned on the news tomorrow and saw the Golden Gate Bridge reduced to a blazing twist of metal and hearing that 3,000 Americans were murdered by some kind of semi-truck explosion.

It was a very insane and unbelievable day for most Americans as one of our most recognizable and beloved landmarks just wasn't there anymore, as if it never existed at all.

fuck you, i'm outta here