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Posted: Jul 12 2010 12:59 pm

People who hate T3 because it wasn't as good as T2 also seem to forget that T1 wasn't as good as T2. But no one's ever like "Oh man, T1 sucks, it's not as good as T2."

Do any of you remember the unremastered version of T1? It was fairly unwatchable. There were a lot of night scenes where you can't see what's going on. Escape From New York, and a lot of other 1970s through early 1980s movies had the same problem. As recently as last year, Spike TV still runs the unremastered version of T1.

Posted: Jul 12 2010 01:07 pm

I would agree that the orginal Terminator is the least entertaining of all four of them. It's definitely dated. But it does a good job setting up the mythology of the franchise and it helps makes T2 so good.

Posted: Jul 12 2010 01:10 pm

T3 was good. the action was nothing special but it was surprisingly funny because of the referances they made.

Posted: Jul 13 2010 12:57 am

T4 is a straight action pic with unbelievable action stunts, CGI BS and a lot of battles during the day. I thought they never fought during the day. A lot of HUGE, HUGE robots fighting a little pick up truck and the truck makes it somehow.

The only thing that really excited me about the movie was that they showed Ahnulds coming off the assembly line. A lot of the movie was like a "why do we need to see this?" but it wasn't a horrible film.

They need to stop with them, now. Unless they want to make an awesome Terminator v Robocop CGI movie.

UsaSatsui's Youtube Channel · Posted: Jul 13 2010 02:49 am

Syd Lexia wrote:

People who hate T3 because it wasn't as good as T2 also seem to forget that T1 wasn't as good as T2. But no one's ever like "Oh man, T1 sucks, it's not as good as T2."

The reason I hate T3 isn't because it's not as good as T2. The reason is that it takes a film that was perfectly complete, and pretty much says it doesn't matter.

Theme of Terminator 2 - "The future isn't set in stone, there is no fate but what we make"
Theme of Terminator 3 - "Fuck that, there's more money to wring out of this series. You can't stop Judgment Day, no matter what"

It was a sequel that didn't need to be made, it was made in such a way that it was clear it was a blatant cash grab, and it completely derails the underlying theme of the Terminator series up to that point. So, yeah, that's why I don't like it.

I mean, if the movie were called "Killer Robot Chick From The Future" or something, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

Posted: Jul 13 2010 05:18 am

James Cameron endorsed it. James Cameron isn't compelled to endorse anything. Or take less than 10 years to make a movie. Or get out of bed.

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When did Cameron endorse it?

UsaSatsui's Youtube Channel · Posted: Jul 13 2010 10:11 am

The hell he did. He refused to direct it. He told Arnold to only do it if offered a fuckton of cash.

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UsaSatsui wrote:

The hell he did. He refused to direct it. He told Arnold to only do it if offered a fuckton of cash.

That's what I remember as well.

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He did not endorse it. He said "there was a small part of me that hoped it failed (T3) and a part of me that hoped it succeeded. It was successful so I was glad."

By the way, did anyone see that Universal Studios ride thingy, "T2-3D : Battle Across Time"? I heard it was beyond awesome.

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Endorse, not actively try to end the move with medieval incantations. What's the difference?

UsaSatsui's Youtube Channel · Posted: Jul 15 2010 06:00 am

James Rolfe (the AVGN) did a series for Spike about the "top 10 sequels that aren't as bad as everyone says", and T3 actually hit number 8.

He's pretty spot on with his analysis, pretty much covering both sides of our debate.

http://www.spike.com/video/cinemassacre-top-10/3423944

Posted: Jul 15 2010 06:13 am

joshwoodzy wrote:

He did not endorse it. He said "there was a small part of me that hoped it failed (T3) and a part of me that hoped it succeeded. It was successful so I was glad."

Hold on there, liberal media. That's not the full quote, and the part you did quote isn't even right.

He said: "In one word : Great. There was a small part of me that hoped it wasn't good - but another part of me hope'd it succeeded. And it did. And I'm so glad it did. Jonathan's made a great movie. Arnold's in great form. I really like what he's done with it".

He did not like Salvation though.

Posted: Jul 15 2010 06:21 am

UsaSatsui wrote:

James Rolfe (the AVGN) did a series for Spike about the "top 10 sequels that aren't as bad as everyone says", and T3 actually hit number 8.

He's pretty spot on with his analysis, pretty much covering both sides of our debate.

http://www.spike.com/video/cinemassacre-top-10/3423944

James' lists are usually spot-on. Although, I didn't agree with his number one on that list. That movie was really fucking bad, and not just for the scenes everyone talks about.

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Syd Lexia wrote:

He said: "In one word : Great. There was a small part of me that hoped it wasn't good - but another part of me hope'd it succeeded. And it did. And I'm so glad it did. Jonathan's made a great movie. Arnold's in great form. I really like what he's done with it".

Huh, I hadn't heard that.

I really dislike that film, though. I didn't care about any of the characters, which made it difficult to appreciate the action sequences. And whether or not Cameron liked the film, it totally whizzed all over the "no fate but what we make" message of T2.

But for the record, Cameron said didn't hate Salvation, he just wasn't blown away by it.

Cameron in The Toronto Sun wrote:

"Terminator Salvation [...] is actually a fine film from a pure filmmaking standpoint - it just doesn't gel up into anything mind-blowing..."

Posted: Jul 15 2010 11:19 am

Ah, fair enough.

Posted: Jul 15 2010 12:33 pm

Has anyone above the age of 10 been blown away by anything McG has done?

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I'm in the minority, but I really enjoyed his Charlie's Angels flicks. Mostly the first one.

Posted: Jul 15 2010 12:42 pm

Douche McCallister wrote:

How bout the scenario that Sarah Connor THINKS Kyle Reese is the father when really it was just one of the many men she had slept with prior to meeting Kyle. She was a waitress after all and in the 80's she appeared to be a fairly hot one by the standards back then. All guys like women who are trained to bring things to us without us lifting a finger after all.

Plus, she clearly fucks on the first date.

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Syd Lexia wrote:

joshwoodzy wrote:

He did not endorse it. He said "there was a small part of me that hoped it failed (T3) and a part of me that hoped it succeeded. It was successful so I was glad."

Hold on there, liberal media. That's not the full quote, and the part you did quote isn't even right.

He said: "In one word : Great. There was a small part of me that hoped it wasn't good - but another part of me hope'd it succeeded. And it did. And I'm so glad it did. Jonathan's made a great movie. Arnold's in great form. I really like what he's done with it".

He did not like Salvation though.

I never said I HATED it, I just don't like to associate it with the 2nd one. Cameron ended that shit perfectly, and expanding on it by other people with damn near no input from the guy who created it was lame. Our reasoning may be different, but if I were to order them by favorite it would obviously be T2, T3, T1. Mostly because, like you said, you can hardly see what the fuck is going on in the 1st one. The 3rd one is bright and cartoony and basically a nonstop chase scene, which isn't necessarily an insult, it's just not what I wanted Terminator 3 to be. I think we all had higher hopes for it.

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DarkMaze wrote:

I'm in the minority, but I really enjoyed his Charlie's Angels flicks. Mostly the first one.

I rather enjoyed the first one too, great supporting cast Tim Curry, Sam Rockwell, the badass Bill Murray. I can't really remember the second, so that says a lot.

Posted: Jul 15 2010 02:33 pm

McG was associated with The OC. I liked that.

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Yeah, this is the only place I feel comfortable admitting I watched the OC. We can disagree about T3 but we have a little common ground there, 'eh?

Posted: Jul 15 2010 02:43 pm

Indeed. All right common ground!

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UsaSatsui wrote:

The hell he did. He refused to direct it. He told Arnold to only do it if offered a fuckton of cash.

That's exactly what happened.