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PostPosted: May 10 2010 12:35 am Reply with quote Back to top

Atma84 wrote:
Ash Burton wrote:
Get back to work squid and stop playing on the internet.


Just remember what Marine Stands for "My Ass Rides In Navy Equipment" Wink


Whaaaaa? Army's lied to me all this time...I've always been told it was, "Muscles Are Required, Intelligence Not Expected." Very Happy





Okay okay, enough Marine jokes from me. Ash, you know I love you and the Corps. <3


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PostPosted: May 10 2010 01:18 am Reply with quote Back to top

Does anyone pick on the Air Force?

I wouldn't.
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PostPosted: May 10 2010 02:09 am Reply with quote Back to top

The Air Force gets picked on the most. It's just that nobody has come up with a clever mnemonic for it yet.


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PostPosted: May 10 2010 05:17 am Reply with quote Back to top

sidewaydriver wrote:
The Air Force gets picked on the most. It's just that nobody has come up with a clever mnemonic for it yet.


This. Dear God it's like our hobby. It's really unfair how much we make fun of the Air Force...after all, they save the asses of the ground forces (who joke about them the most) with their intel and air cover.

...But when you watch them doing PT...good lord its hard to keep the smirk off your face. Laughing (And, although there's no cute acronym to make fun of, we do call them the "Chair Force." Not quite as good, but still funny.)

I wish I could tell you my very favorite Air Force joke, but its kind of visual and would loose a lot of its impact in the description. This is my favorite verbal one though:

A U.S. Marine slogs through 40 klicks of marshland with a 60 pound ruck on his back. He grins and says, "this is the shit!"

An Army Airborne Ranger slogs through 50 klicks of marshland with a 70 pound ruck on his back, assaults an enemy position, then slogs another 10 klicks to his extraction point. He grins and says, "This is good shit!"

A Navy SEAL slogs through 60 klicks of marshland with an 80 pound ruck on his back, killing alligators as he goes. He assaults the enemy position, grabbing several bits of vital intel as he goes, then dives back into the marsh and swims 25 klicks back to his extraction point. He grins and says, "I LIVE for this shit!"

An Air Force NCO sits in an easy chair in his clean, air conditioned office. He turns on his computer and says, "my internet is out? What kind of shit is this?!"

It all goes with love, zoomie <3 Smile


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PostPosted: May 10 2010 08:33 am Reply with quote Back to top

I question if the Air Force will exist in 15-20 years.

Pilots cost a lot of money. Planes cost a lot of money, and a lot of that cash goes towards safely holding a pilot.

Think about it, a cockpit's design is made so that a person can survive from bullets, air pressure, concussive force, water, temperature, etc... It must have visibility, physical space, and safety features such as ejection seats.

So, consider an unmanned remotely controlled plane. You can create the same control set for every flyable vehicle so that a pilot trained on one can handle any other. You can remove the idea of a cockpit. Pilots could fly more missions because they wouldn't be as stressed out. You wouldn't be limited to a selected population that has perfect physical health and perfect vision. Video games have already trained your pilots 90% of the way.

So once this exists, why would an airforce be needed? Couldn't each branch just use planes as required without a specific "air" branch?



 
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PostPosted: May 10 2010 08:50 am Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:
Hacker, what on earth would make you think it is a good idea to fuck with the US Government's web filter?

Atma, are you allowed to use a personal device while on shift? I would suggest a 3G based device such as a smart phone or iPad. Also, talking to your IT person would be a great way to avoid any chance of getting in trouble.

I never said it was a good idea.
I was just making him aware of what options were available



 
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PostPosted: May 10 2010 12:27 pm Reply with quote Back to top

GPFontaine wrote:
I question if the Air Force will exist in 15-20 years.

Pilots cost a lot of money. Planes cost a lot of money, and a lot of that cash goes towards safely holding a pilot.

Think about it, a cockpit's design is made so that a person can survive from bullets, air pressure, concussive force, water, temperature, etc... It must have visibility, physical space, and safety features such as ejection seats.

So, consider an unmanned remotely controlled plane. You can create the same control set for every flyable vehicle so that a pilot trained on one can handle any other. You can remove the idea of a cockpit. Pilots could fly more missions because they wouldn't be as stressed out. You wouldn't be limited to a selected population that has perfect physical health and perfect vision. Video games have already trained your pilots 90% of the way.

So once this exists, why would an airforce be needed? Couldn't each branch just use planes as required without a specific "air" branch?

I get what you're saying, though the Air Force is more than just flying planes. It will be around for a long while, though for reasons you've stated, it will likely be pared down a bit. For example, you need someone to control and monitor those drones. A few hours north of me in Vegas the Air Force has a 'hangar' set up where many drones that are in Afghanistan right now are remote controlled. I have a friend who is a pilot in the Air Force who no longer flies actual jets--he sits in front of what would look like a video game set-up and controls drone airstrikes in Afghanistan from behind a 'computer'. At the end of the day, he packs up and goes home to his family. That's what a large portion of the Air Force is going to look like in the future.

So yeah, as far as actual pilots up in the air? Those numbers are going to shrink quickly.


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PostPosted: May 10 2010 01:21 pm Reply with quote Back to top

USAF - Uncle Sam's Air Farries. Its amazing how much shit each branch of the military gives each other, but its all a Brother Sister Relationship. We could degrade each other all day long, but as soon as someone else does. Everyone is ready to back them up.

About me having a 3G device? Not allowed. No cellphones or PDAs in the building.
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PostPosted: May 10 2010 01:24 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Klimbatize wrote:
GPFontaine wrote:
I question if the Air Force will exist in 15-20 years.

Pilots cost a lot of money. Planes cost a lot of money, and a lot of that cash goes towards safely holding a pilot.

Think about it, a cockpit's design is made so that a person can survive from bullets, air pressure, concussive force, water, temperature, etc... It must have visibility, physical space, and safety features such as ejection seats.

So, consider an unmanned remotely controlled plane. You can create the same control set for every flyable vehicle so that a pilot trained on one can handle any other. You can remove the idea of a cockpit. Pilots could fly more missions because they wouldn't be as stressed out. You wouldn't be limited to a selected population that has perfect physical health and perfect vision. Video games have already trained your pilots 90% of the way.

So once this exists, why would an airforce be needed? Couldn't each branch just use planes as required without a specific "air" branch?

I get what you're saying, though the Air Force is more than just flying planes. It will be around for a long while, though for reasons you've stated, it will likely be pared down a bit. For example, you need someone to control and monitor those drones. A few hours north of me in Vegas the Air Force has a 'hangar' set up where many drones that are in Afghanistan right now are remote controlled. I have a friend who is a pilot in the Air Force who no longer flies actual jets--he sits in front of what would look like a video game set-up and controls drone airstrikes in Afghanistan from behind a 'computer'. At the end of the day, he packs up and goes home to his family. That's what a large portion of the Air Force is going to look like in the future.

So yeah, as far as actual pilots up in the air? Those numbers are going to shrink quickly.

I guess I don't understand why the Air Force would need to exist though. The Navy and Army could handle their respective duties and include flight when required. It just seems like an extra branch if each other service does the same thing. Don't get me wrong, I want future generations to be able to understand Top Gun, but when I see the price of a pilot/plane I think it might not be worth it.



 
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PostPosted: May 10 2010 01:48 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Atma84 wrote:
Its amazing how much shit each branch of the military gives each other, but its all a Brother Sister Relationship. We could degrade each other all day long, but as soon as someone else does. Everyone is ready to back them up.

Hooah to that Very Happy . Its the truth. And thanks for the USAF acronym--it had always irritated me that all of the services had a good one except the Air Force. Speaking of which though--do you guys have a specific "battle cry?" I mean, we say "hooah" in the Army, Marines have their "oorah," and the Navy kinda smooshed both of them together with "hoorah." What does the AF say?

GP Fontaine wrote:
I guess I don't understand why the Air Force would need to exist though. The Navy and Army could handle their respective duties and include flight when required. It just seems like an extra branch if each other service does the same thing. Don't get me wrong, I want future generations to be able to understand Top Gun, but when I see the price of a pilot/plane I think it might not be worth it.


Well, the Marines and Navy have their own fighter programs because they do things like carrier landings that the Army would never have need for. Mostly though, Marines and Army fly helicopters so we can support and evac our own ground troops without having to rely on other branches for it. (Not that that doesn't happen anyway, but I think that's the theory.)

Also, GP, Top Gun was about Navy pilots...hence the white uniforms and carrier landings. (Top Gun is without question the finest fighter school in the world though, which is why I always tell kids who want to fly jets and might actually have a shot at it to go Navy.)


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PostPosted: May 10 2010 01:54 pm Reply with quote Back to top

SoldierHawk wrote:
Atma84 wrote:
Its amazing how much shit each branch of the military gives each other, but its all a Brother Sister Relationship. We could degrade each other all day long, but as soon as someone else does. Everyone is ready to back them up.

Hooah to that Very Happy . Its the truth. And thanks for the USAF acronym--it had always irritated me that all of the services had a good one except the Air Force. Speaking of which though--do you guys have a specific "battle cry?" I mean, we say "hooah" in the Army, Marines have their "oorah," and the Navy kinda smooshed both of them together with "hoorah." What does the AF say?

Maybe they do a "WOOOOOOOOOOOO" type of thing



 
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Everyone likes to make fun of the Air Force until you deploy to Iraq, then you hear everyone say "I wish I joined the fucking Air Force!"


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PostPosted: May 10 2010 03:51 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Don't knock the USAF, they may not get as down and dirty as the Army or Marines, but they serve their place.

Who's your best friend when you get pinned down by a tank regiment? The guys fying the A-10 (And, the Army Apaches..)

Should we send in hundreds of ground troops into that hot zone to eliminate hostile forces with many causalties expected, or the two guys in a B-2 Spirit with some bunker busters?

Who gives you all your intel and satelite data on where's going and what to expect when you get there? Air Force.

If it wasn't for stupid rules regarding pre-existing medical condition I would be in the Air Force right now. It was always my dream as a kid. When other kids dream of being fire fighters and baseball players, I dreamed of flying F-16 Falcons or A-10 Thunderbolts. I tried enlisting 3 times. All no go, thanks to my Psoriasis, which is stupid, because it doesn't hinder me physically in any way shape or form!
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Hacker wrote:
SoldierHawk wrote:
Atma84 wrote:
Its amazing how much shit each branch of the military gives each other, but its all a Brother Sister Relationship. We could degrade each other all day long, but as soon as someone else does. Everyone is ready to back them up.

Hooah to that Very Happy . Its the truth. And thanks for the USAF acronym--it had always irritated me that all of the services had a good one except the Air Force. Speaking of which though--do you guys have a specific "battle cry?" I mean, we say "hooah" in the Army, Marines have their "oorah," and the Navy kinda smooshed both of them together with "hoorah." What does the AF say?

Maybe they do a "WOOOOOOOOOOOO" type of thing


That would be the most awesome thing EVER.

And like we said, all the interservice jabs go with love. We make fun of each other as a hobby, but as Atma observed, when push comes to shove, we really do have each other's backs.


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Question: Has Mark Harmon ever shown up on your ship and asked you questions about a recently murdered naval officer?
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SoldierHawk wrote:
And like we said, all the interservice jabs go with love. We make fun of each other as a hobby, but as Atma observed, when push comes to shove, we really do have each other's backs.

We all knock each others branches, but I have nothing but the utmost respect for the guys and girls on the ground. Every branch has its purpose, but also, every branch is on the ground over there. There are pleanty of Sailors and Airmen on the ground in Iraq/Afghanistan as well. Not as many as Marines/Army, but they're there.

And yeah, Top Gun was Navy Air, The Navy flies all of its own Aircraft and doesn't use any of the Airforces. Can always throw one of the flight suit and Aviators on for a cheap Top Gun Costume. And the Ladies love it Wink
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!! That just might be my favorite post of all time. Atma, you made my day. Very Happy

You know what that reminds me of is this ROTC full-bird colonel we have on campus. Usually the USAF cadre wear their Class As or Bs on campus depending on the day or event, but this guy wears the full-on Top Gun stuff whenever he can--FULL flight suit, bomber jacket, aviator glasses, the works. The best is when the AF cadets are doing their PT test, and he's standing there on the track dressed like Tom Cruise cheering them on.

Obviously he's a VERY high ranking officer so we would never crack a smile anywhere he might see...but oh my god its funny as hell.


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If you ever find yourself on the ground in a battle, never, ever call the air farce. They have a little problem with identifying which troops are good and which ones are bad. I guess its because there are no air force troops on the ground that they never think of who they are bombing. Personally, they should be gotten rid of or just merge them with NASA or something. When a military branch has a physical ability test of riding a stationary bicycle for a few minutes, it's time to see yourself out.


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PostPosted: May 11 2010 10:12 am Reply with quote Back to top

Dude, you don't have to make yourself look like a dick on purpose just because you are a Marine. We have Air Force people here, as well as my brother being Air Force and having his arm blown off in Afghanistan. That high and mighty shit just because you are in the "superior" branch of the military just makes you look weaker and weaker.


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I would like to introduce to anyone who calls the Air Forces pussies to my friends, The Combat Control team.

In case you haven't heard about them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Air_Force_Combat_Control_Team
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I'll be damned! I know and love USAF Pararescue, but I have literally never heard of Combat Control. Good for them--it makes sense that the Air Force would have a special forces-esque unit. Until now I thought Pararescue filled that role; I stand corrected. Badass. Very Happy


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Like I stated before, Its not just Marines and Army on the ground over in the Sandbox. I've got Numerous Navy Friends on the ground right now, and know there are just as Many Airforce. We weren't the 1st ones over, but they sent us eventually to try to provide some kind of relief to these poor Soldiers and Marines who were going on their 3rd or 4th back to back tour. Every branch pulls their weight in some way. One of my childhood friends is currently Army EOD and is over in the sand, he tells me all the time he has nothing but the highest regard for the Airforce, and that they've saved his ass on more than on occasion. My point is, if your wearing a Uniform, I don't care what it says after the U.S. You have my respect.
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Ash Burton wrote:
If you ever find yourself on the ground in a battle, never, ever call the air farce. They have a little problem with identifying which troops are good and which ones are bad. I guess its because there are no air force troops on the ground that they never think of who they are bombing. Personally, they should be gotten rid of or just merge them with NASA or something. When a military branch has a physical ability test of riding a stationary bicycle for a few minutes, it's time to see yourself out.

The real heroes aren't the Army, Air Force, Coast Guard, Navy or Marines. The real heroes are people like me: the civilians. We outnumber you military types by a huge percentage, many of us are well-armed, and if it came down to a battle royale between civilians and the military, civilians would win. Not only that, but without civilians, you guys wouldn't even have jobs. Our tax dollars pay for your expensive equipment. Our voting blocs elect the presidents whose often dubious military operations justify our need for a military. In short, you wouldn't even exist without us.

Soldiers, next time you see a group of civilians, thank them for their tax dollars, and give them a big old hug.
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When a military branch has a physical ability test of riding a stationary bicycle for a few minutes, it's time to see yourself out.

They have the pregnant chicks do that.


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Syd Lexia wrote:
The real heroes aren't the Army, Air Force, Coast Guard, Navy or Marines. The real heroes are people like me: the civilians. We outnumber you military types by a huge percentage, many of us are well-armed, and if it came down to a battle royale between civilians and the military, civilians would win. Not only that, but without civilians, you guys wouldn't even have jobs. Our tax dollars pay for your expensive equipment. Our voting blocs elect the presidents whose often dubious military operations justify our need for a military. In short, you wouldn't even exist without us.

Soldiers, next time you see a group of civilians, thank them for their tax dollars, and give them a big old hug.

Fellow military-types...I believe we just got pwned. Very Happy


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