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Posted: Jun 22 2013 07:17 pm

Syd Lexia wrote:

Honestly, I don't know if Kinect is as bad as we want it to be.

It's actually being used at the basis of some really impressive technology. Unfortunately, games haven't found a way to incorporate it yet without having you flail about like a moron in front of the TV.

Posted: Jun 23 2013 06:04 am

Regardless of intent, Microsoft is one of those companies affiliated with PRISM. This means that unless you unplug your entire setup (since it's an all-in-one device), the U.S. government can turn it on.

There was some ruckus about some members of the armed forces not being able to utilize the console if it were always on (like submarine workers in the Navy). I can't imagine many service members being able to have an XBox One on base, since it amounts to a surveillance camera of an entertainment machine.

Posted: Jun 23 2013 07:42 am

Fighter_McWarrior wrote:

Syd Lexia wrote:

Honestly, I don't know if Kinect is as bad as we want it to be.

It's actually being used at the basis of some really impressive technology. Unfortunately, games haven't found a way to incorporate it yet without having you flail about like a moron in front of the TV.

Eh, remoteless motion controls don't do it for me, even in its more subtle uses. Giving a Powerpoint presentation and using your hands to change slides doesn't do it for me.

Neither does the futuristic world where we're on Windows 12, your OS is a holographic projection, and you move windows around and resize them with some subtle flicks of your wrist is just not my thing.

Posted: Jun 24 2013 12:37 am

It would be better if the Kinect could read our thoughts so we could activate whatever feature we wanted just by thinking it.

Posted: Jun 24 2013 01:01 am

Syd Lexia wrote:

Fighter_McWarrior wrote:

Syd Lexia wrote:

Honestly, I don't know if Kinect is as bad as we want it to be.

It's actually being used at the basis of some really impressive technology. Unfortunately, games haven't found a way to incorporate it yet without having you flail about like a moron in front of the TV.

Eh, remoteless motion controls don't do it for me, even in its more subtle uses. Giving a Powerpoint presentation and using your hands to change slides doesn't do it for me.

Neither does the futuristic world where we're on Windows 12, your OS is a holographic projection, and you move windows around and resize them with some subtle flicks of your wrist is just not my thing.

Did you like the Wii motion controls?

Posted: Jun 24 2013 03:54 pm

lordsathien wrote:

Regardless of intent, Microsoft is one of those companies affiliated with PRISM. This means that unless you unplug your entire setup (since it's an all-in-one device), the U.S. government can turn it on.

There was some ruckus about some members of the armed forces not being able to utilize the console if it were always on (like submarine workers in the Navy). I can't imagine many service members being able to have an XBox One on base, since it amounts to a surveillance camera of an entertainment machine.

OPSEC absolutely does not allow something like the Xbox One on site.

Posted: Jun 24 2013 08:13 pm

Would OPSEC mean soldiers/marines etc. couldn't use Kinect on post or just not in a combat zone? Back when I was in the PS2 and Xbox were still big, we never had to worry about our video games giving the enemy vital intel. I imagine some people will be highly pissed if they aren't allowed to own a Kinect as it would be complete bullshit.

Posted: Jun 25 2013 12:30 am

That Kinect is not getting on base, period, especially since all internet activity is highly controlled. If the Kinect is made to be less integrated with outside networks, that may change.

Posted: Jun 25 2013 03:13 am

The post I lived on in Germany had no internet restrictions that I can remember, unless things have changed since then, which is possible because that was 7 years ago. I don't imagine too many single soldiers living in the barracks will want an Xbox One anyway, those two-man rooms got'em packed in like sardines as it is. Sucks they might not have a choice though.

Posted: Jun 25 2013 09:48 am

Fuck guys, chill out on the kinect thing, just jerk off in a different room.

Posted: Jun 25 2013 10:10 am

Tell our armed forces that.

Posted: Jun 25 2013 11:43 am

But if you don't have to be online now, what's the issue with it?

Posted: Jun 27 2013 01:23 am

My question is now that they have made it where it doesn't need to constantly be connected can the cloud still be used the way they intended, such as creating bigger game worlds and whatnot?

Title: Miss Madness 99 Joined: Sep 09 2012 Posts: 225

The-Excel wrote:

I just love how they keep pushing these features like they're good things and apparently expecting gamers to like how they now have to get the approval of Microsoft to play. It all falls into my theory that traditional gamers are not the target audience. I bet at least a few indie developers are relieved that they have one less platform they have to support this generation.

But if they had presented them differently, the backlash may not have been so strong. There are some features that really are innovative, like the ability to transfer game licenses for digital copies, which not even Steam has. I've started to think that maybe we're getting spoiled by the idea of holding on to discs forever because maybe it's better for the environment to trade plastic for electricity. Then I think that it's probably more wasteful to keep generating power than to press plastic and paper one time, but I can't verify this.

I especially like how they pushed the TV capability further with the line "Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies." I'm sure some tech magazines were thrilled to hear that, but the words "gaming is not possible" should never, ever come out of a gaming company's mouth.

Say, do you suppose this is a ploy to release a better Xbox Two like they allegedly did with Vista and 7? I hope Microsoft changes nothing in light of all the reaction. I hope the Xbox One comes out exactly as our current impressions hold and all the controversy is completely glossed over. I hope tech magazines pick up on it and accentuate the negative reception and it goes down as one of the worst tech launches of all time. It's the only way they'll learn.

The 360 was the biggest piece of overheating junk ever made in my opinion. It actually aliented a large group of video gamers who saw what a ripoff it really was.The only reason I use it now is because the used games are so cheap for it. Like 5 bucks for SF4.

The 360 only got popular because Sony took like 4 years to get the PS3 to a reasonable pricepoint because no one even wanted or felt they needed BluRay. The Nintendo Wii was too weak to compete cutting edge wise and people with a "game now" mentality had no choice but to use the 360. Its kinda sad how Microsoft made money with such a lackluster product everyone knew was going to break at some point.

Looking back the PS3 was actually the better buy longterm as XBOX Live easily ended up costing you more in the peak lifespan than even a 2008 399.99 PS3 which gives free online gaming. The PS3's failure rate was what like barely 20 percent while the 360 was as high as 60? The PS3 is what everyone here wanted but we got sidetracked by the upfront cost when the 360 ripped everyone a new one on the backend

In my opinion what really happened is the cheap/thrifty gamers of the world dealt with the 360's numerous shortcomings because the Xbox Live Service is actually pretty addictive and really fun. There is good competition on XBL no doubt from my buddies who have it at their house. Without it however there was no reason to even buy a 360. That is why I became a PC gamer during that gen. I smelt the 360 turd a mile away and Sony never came through for me like every true gamer wanted. I ended up buying a 360 like everyone else with a frown on my face just because I knew Sony had been outwitted that gen and if I wanted to game with my friends I needed a 360.

On the other side of the coin it is kinda ridiculous that you can't even use Netflix without having a Xbox Live membership, no other company seems to do that except them. Also its a breeze to play MP4's on the PS3, with the 360 the DRM is annoying and they act like they are obsessed with owning your entertainment experience on every avenue. Microsoft got away with it last gen, yet they had luck on their side, but not so much as they once did.

after making this post I am now just going to trade in my 360 gear while its still worth something and keep the games and get a Wii U so I dont have to deal with XBox Live ever again. I will find a cheap slim 360 down the line and just use that for the games i already have.

Posted: Jul 10 2013 02:31 pm

What new strains of madness are these?

http://www.change.org/petitions/xbox-one-give-us-back-the-original-xbox-one

http://www.change.org/petitions/microsoft-give-us-back-the-xbox-one-we-were-promised-at-e3-2

Posted: Jul 10 2013 07:26 pm

I'll eagerly sign both of those. I feel I was robbed of a spectacular train wreck.

Posted: Jul 11 2013 12:43 pm

I signed it because I wanted consumers to be forced to make an informed decision on the issues the Xbox One's original form presented.

Posted: Jul 12 2013 07:09 am

You know the people at Microsoft are laughing wickedly in victory at how the people are playing right into their hands. Don't be surprised if the fucker sprouts horns on launch day.

Posted: Jul 12 2013 08:37 am

I can tell you this much: it won't be my problem. I'm sticking with Sony this time around. Microsoft writ large is turning into the kind of company I no longer want to do business with.

Posted: Jul 16 2013 12:43 pm

Those petitions were obviously created by Sony fans. If you somehow didn't hear the reaction from the Sony portion of E3 about "No DRM" google it. I can't think of anyone that WANTS DRM.