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SoldierHawk
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PostPosted: Dec 01 2009 01:03 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Iron Man 2 poster was just released...

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*squeals with girl-nerd happiness*

Iron Man + War Machine = FUCKING AWESOME. All I can say is, in addition to having the obviously required Sabbath "Iron Man" in the movie, I want to hear AC/DC's War Machine when he's revealed for the first time (or shortly thereafter.)

I cannot wait for this movie. Did I mention that?


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Doddsino
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PostPosted: Dec 01 2009 01:23 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'm hoping it was as good as the first, but I'll wait and see what happens. It's like the people who say Dark Knight was the best comic book movie ever and while it was good, I think Batman Begins had the better overall story.
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PostPosted: Dec 01 2009 01:50 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I think it will be the same as the first really. Two people in robot costumes fighting each other. Other than the stock back story they will set up to please the comic people, I don't really see this being an explosive good time.


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PostPosted: Dec 01 2009 03:53 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I really liked the first one. I'm not sure about Don Cheadle as War Machine/Rhodes, though he's a great actor and puts out a good performance in the movies he's starred in to date. I hope it's as good as the first.


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PostPosted: Dec 01 2009 04:43 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I can't believe they replaced Terrence Howard. Isn't Don Cheadle like 60?

Other than that, looks good. Iron Man 2 will be better than Iron Man for the same reason Dark Knight was better than Batman Begins: better antagonists. The antagonists in IM1 and BB were boring as fuck.
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PostPosted: Dec 01 2009 04:54 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Cheadle was born in 1964, Terrance Howard in 1969. Age isn't a big deal, I just think Terrance Howard has a better presence for a bad guy than Cheadle. Oh well, I prefer Cheadle as an actor anyway, the lack of a better War Machine won't stop me from renting this whenever it comes out on DVD.


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PostPosted: Dec 01 2009 05:00 pm Reply with quote Back to top

don cheadle > terrence howard


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PostPosted: Dec 01 2009 05:36 pm Reply with quote Back to top

username wrote:
don cheadle > terrence howard


This. He's brilliant. As long as he takes it seriously (and he's said he's a comic fan), we're gonna have a hell of a War Machine. Also, the reason Howard left is he was having pay and/or attitude issues with the studio and/or director, depending on exactly which version you listen to.

I have to disagree on the villains of Batman Begins being boring. Personally, and this may be blasphemy, but I enjoy BB a lot more than TDK. Nothing wrong with TDK you understand, I just enjoy the story of BB a lot more. Liam Neeson was brilliant as Al'Ghul, and Cillian Murphy was the most fantastic Scarecrow you could ask for. I wish he had been in it more. Not to take away anything from a great performance as Joker, but he's always been...kind of a meh villain to me. (Well okay, unless Mark Hamil is playing him.) Give me Scarecrow or Riddler or Al'Ghul any day.


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PostPosted: Dec 01 2009 06:11 pm Reply with quote Back to top

SoldierHawk wrote:
username wrote:
don cheadle > terrence howard


This. He's brilliant. As long as he takes it seriously (and he's said he's a comic fan), we're gonna have a hell of a War Machine. Also, the reason Howard left is he was having pay and/or attitude issues with the studio and/or director, depending on exactly which version you listen to.

I have to disagree on the villains of Batman Begins being boring. Personally, and this may be blasphemy, but I enjoy BB a lot more than TDK. Nothing wrong with TDK you understand, I just enjoy the story of BB a lot more. Liam Neeson was brilliant as Al'Ghul, and Cillian Murphy was the most fantastic Scarecrow you could ask for. I wish he had been in it more. Not to take away anything from a great performance as Joker, but he's always been...kind of a meh villain to me. (Well okay, unless Mark Hamil is playing him.) Give me Scarecrow or Riddler or Al'Ghul any day.


The Joker? a meh villan? Personally i think he's thee villan!, but i agree about the Scarecrow in BB. He was very dark.
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PostPosted: Dec 01 2009 06:23 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Well, let me amend that: the Joker FEELS meh in most of the movie versions. He's played either too light and there's no threat (see: Ceaser Romero, although admittedly that was kind of the point) or just too dark (like in TDK and "The Killing Joke" comic), and he feels like a generic psychopath in clown makeup with nothing particularly special about him.

Personally the only people to get him just right are Mark Hamil and the Animated Series. PERFECT blend of insane, childish humor, and psychopathic danger. THAT is the Joker I really like. Failing that, like I said, Scarecrow or Riddler. Both have very interesting origins imho, and a fantastic gimmick with all kinds of story possibilities.


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PostPosted: Dec 01 2009 07:36 pm Reply with quote Back to top

SoldierHawk wrote:
Well, let me amend that: the Joker FEELS meh in most of the movie versions. He's played either too light and there's no threat (see: Ceaser Romero, although admittedly that was kind of the point) or just too dark (like in TDK and "The Killing Joke" comic), and he feels like a generic psychopath in clown makeup with nothing particularly special about him.

Personally the only people to get him just right are Mark Hamil and the Animated Series. PERFECT blend of insane, childish humor, and psychopathic danger. THAT is the Joker I really like. Failing that, like I said, Scarecrow or Riddler. Both have very interesting origins imho, and a fantastic gimmick with all kinds of story possibilities.

i believe Romero did a fantastic job of portraying the joker of the 60's.

although Luke Skywalker is my favorite Joker of all time, its rather unfair to pit him against the movie Jokers, since TAS had more time to develop the character. whereas the movie Jokers only had 2 hours to develop the character.


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PostPosted: Dec 01 2009 08:21 pm Reply with quote Back to top

^ Oh without a doubt Romero was fantastic. He's a great actor, and the character fit the series and its spirit perfectly. That character just wasn't, you know, the JOKER Joker. (Although I have to say, thinking back on it just now, he did do quite a good job of making his Joker a lot more menacing than he really had a right to be, so good for him.)

I disagree about TAS though. The Joker was spot-on from the very first episode I ever saw him in, and that development lasted 20 minutes. Not even 2 hours.


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PostPosted: Dec 01 2009 09:18 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I believe Terrence Howard wanted EQUAL salary to Robert Downey Jr.

Which is like me wanting equal pay to my fucking boss, despite me not doing nearly as much work or even rising to the occasion like he could.
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Doddsino wrote:
I believe Terrence Howard wanted EQUAL salary to Robert Downey Jr.

Which is like me wanting equal pay to my fucking boss, despite me not doing nearly as much work or even rising to the occasion like he could.


Actually according to what I read, he wanted MORE. I actually heard he was the highest paid person in the cast, but I simply can't wrap my head around that. The ONLY way I could see him being payed more than Robby Jr. is if Downy is so damn expensive to insure that he has to work for a lot less than he's worth. I dunno.


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PostPosted: Dec 01 2009 11:46 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Doddsino wrote:
I believe Terrence Howard wanted EQUAL salary to Robert Downey Jr.

Which is like me wanting equal pay to my fucking boss, despite me not doing nearly as much work or even rising to the occasion like he could.

Not quite. Howard was the first actor to sign on for the original Iron Man, and he ended up being the highest paid actor in the cast. When it came time to negotiate for Iron Man 2, Howard wanted the same the same amount of money he got for the first movie (not unreasonable given that the first movie was a bonafide hit and Rhodey was going to get a lot more screen time) and Marvel wanted to cut back his pay. Thus, he was replaced.

And Hawk, EVERYONE says they're a comic book fan when they do a comic book movie. No one ever says, "I have no idea what this shit is, I'm just here for the paycheck."
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PostPosted: Dec 01 2009 11:50 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
Doddsino wrote:
I believe Terrence Howard wanted EQUAL salary to Robert Downey Jr.

Which is like me wanting equal pay to my fucking boss, despite me not doing nearly as much work or even rising to the occasion like he could.

Not quite. Howard was the first actor to sign on for the original Iron Man, and he ended up being the highest paid actor in the cast. When it came time to negotiate for Iron Man 2, Howard wanted the same the same amount of money he got for the first movie (not unreasonable given that the first movie was a bonafide hit and Rhodey was going to get a lot more screen time) and Marvel wanted to cut back his pay. Thus, he was replaced.

And Hawk, EVERYONE says they're a comic book fan when they do a comic book movie. No one ever says, "I have no idea what this shit is, I'm just here for the paycheck."
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PostPosted: Dec 02 2009 12:01 am Reply with quote Back to top

Is that one of those Hanson boys?
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PostPosted: Dec 02 2009 12:23 am Reply with quote Back to top

Hey!! Man waiting to watch the movie like this. I like the first part.
Seems like Don Cheadle has such an improvement on War Machine. Terrence Howard could never have pulled off that pose.
The pics is nice bro. The release date seems to far.
Thanks.
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PostPosted: Dec 02 2009 11:16 am Reply with quote Back to top

Agh! Snaggletooth!
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PostPosted: Dec 02 2009 11:58 am Reply with quote Back to top

tim burton said he never read comics when he directed Batman


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Syd Lexia wrote:
And Hawk, EVERYONE says they're a comic book fan when they do a comic book movie. No one ever says, "I have no idea what this shit is, I'm just here for the paycheck."


Not entirely true. I know lots of actors who say they hadn't really been into comic books before they were cast. Cillian Murphy, for example, had never picked up a comic book before being cast in "Batman" (although he was of course aware of the character.) Of course, being a good actor who does his homework, he sought out a bunch of comics once he was cast so he could get some perspective on the story and his part. Same thing with Robert Downy and Christian Bale if I remember correctly. I KNOW Willem Dafoe had never read a Spider-Man comic before playing his part. George Clooney, on the other hand, is a big fan. Hmmmm. Confused

Maybe the best people to cast in these roles are ones who don't bring any preconceived notions to the character, but who are smart enough to respect the source material...? (The writer of a comic-book movie pretty much has to be a fan though I think. It would be hard to get a good script otherwise.)


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PostPosted: Dec 02 2009 06:51 pm Reply with quote Back to top

No actor ever says "I don't give a shit about comics", they always say "Well, I wasn't familiar with them but after doing this project, I am a big fan!" which is probably bullshit 60% of the time. No actor would ever alienate half of his fan base or the comic fans, so they will most always lie.


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PostPosted: Dec 02 2009 07:11 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Pretty sure Thomas Jane also said he wasn't familiar with The Punisher. I don't know if said he was a fan afterwards or not.
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Isn't that the guy that's not Dolph Lundgren?


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Yeah the guy who was in the better movies.

Rocky IV sucked
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