WTF Haley Barbour??! Don't you know your state is a fucking 3rd world country?
Laminated Sky
Title: Extra Crispy
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Posted:
Jun 30 2008 09:47 am
If this topic was made a few hours earlier I'd be able to answer the last option.
But yes, it should be.
"One of the main reasons marijauna is illegal today, is because cotton growers thought hemp would be competition, and put them out of business."
If you support the fact that marijuana is illegal, well you might be a racsist.
I'm so bananas I'm showing up to your open casket,
to fill it up with explosive gases,
and close it back,
with a lit match in it,
while I sit back, and just hope it catches.
Blow you to fragments,
laugh,
roll you, and smoke the ashes.
1) The money that pays for police, lawyers, etc should be cut from the budget and placed back into the hands of the public in the form of a tax break.
2) The sale of it should be taxed heavily to pay for its own regulation.
What will this do?
a) If you can buy it in a store, but need a dealer for hard drugs, more people who would have in the past been turned on to hard drugs won't have the opportunity because they will just be buying at a store.
b) Less people will be hurt or killed over drugs
c) The people who make money from it now will either become normal members of society by starting businesses, or they will no longer profit from it and illegal businesses will go away.
There are tons of other effects that will happen, but it definitely should be legal.
Kubo
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Posted:
Jun 30 2008 10:57 am
Yup... make a large portion of the cost for it tax and use the cash to invest into alternate fuel sources for transportation.
I'm tired of paying four bucks for gas and three hundred bucks for a plane ticket.
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Mr. Bomberman
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Jun 30 2008 10:59 am
1. What GP said: Money wasted to pay cops to do those stings and operations, and all those arrests, and the cost to keep those people in prison could be better spent somewhere else.
2. It's not as bad as everyone thinks it is. Shit, It's not bad at all. The media tends to blow things up and gas people's heads. (See: Fox News)
Shit, I said it shouldn't be legalized, but i gotta change my answer after reading G-Man's post. Many good points. I do personally believe the world would be better without weed or alcohol though.
Absolutely. In my mind, smoking a j can be equated to taking a pill for medication. What's the difference? Plus it's a plant and not some lab created shit that may give people cancer. If it were taxed and regulated, it would also be a lot safer. With it prohibited, anyone can buy the shit, and that means kids as young as nine or ten can buy the stuff. There are so many reasons I could list why it should be legal, but I'll just leave it at this.
not some lab created shit that may give people cancer
Pot won't give you lung cancer?
I don't care one way or another if it's legal or illegal. The selfish part of me, the part that detests everything about it from the awful smell (smells fine when it isn't burning) to the fact that it makes people annoying as hell, is happy it's illegal.
My sense of morality, which places a high value on personal freedom, says it should be legal.
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OctoMan
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Posted:
Jun 30 2008 12:13 pm
I'm very opposed to the use of marijuana; I know a lot of you will probably disagree (and I'm not really interested in discussing it), but I think it can and does ruin lives - not always, but too often. I have lots of friends who could've been so much more if they hadn't spent their college days sitting around smoking dope.
That being said, I'm also one of those who can't understand how alcohol can be legal but not marijuana.
(I guess this means I answer both 1) and 3) in the poll.)
GPFontaine
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Posted:
Jun 30 2008 12:14 pm
ross_rifle113 wrote:
Shit, I said it shouldn't be legalized, but i gotta change my answer after reading G-Man's post. Many good points. I do personally believe the world would be better without weed or alcohol though.
I think that the world would be better without people being sent to jail because of plants that grow naturally.
I think that the world would be better without parents having to hide shit they do from their kids. Well.. maybe they should hide some stuff... But not plants.
Clonazepam is legal, though controlled, but still you wouldn't go to jail over it.
Wanna know the messed up thing?
I will be 28 in a few days, and yet I have never smoked weed. It doesn't change my views on it though.
Just watch this. I can't embed it right now (using Wii internet fyi).
I'm so bananas I'm showing up to your open casket,
to fill it up with explosive gases,
and close it back,
with a lit match in it,
while I sit back, and just hope it catches.
Blow you to fragments,
laugh,
roll you, and smoke the ashes.
not some lab created shit that may give people cancer
Pot won't give you lung cancer?
If you smoke it, it might. If you eat it, it will definitely not give you cancer. My point was that a lot of prescription drugs have been around for less than twenty years. Mj has been around for centuries. Plus the side effects on some drugs, antidepressants to be specific, are absurd. Like "may increase risk of suicide". fuck that. The only side effects from mj are like dry mouth, increased appetite, paranoia, red eyes, and lethargy followed by sleep. It will absolutely not make you want to kill yourself. When I was on meds, the withdrawl symptoms were what are known on the internet as "brain zaps", one of the most uncomfortable side effects I've ever experienced.
I think it should be legal, if only because alcohol is FAR more dangerous and it's legal.
And for what it's worth, I don't smoke. So that's my unbiased opinion.
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Mitch
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Posted:
Jun 30 2008 01:38 pm
Avian wrote:
I think it should be legal, if only because alcohol is FAR more dangerous and it's legal.
And for what it's worth, I don't smoke. So that's my unbiased opinion.
Well that's an illogical argument, because there's another conclusion which could be just as valid, logically speaking: that alcohol should be illegal.
I'm not trying to argue against making pot legal, but this is a logical fallacy that annoys me a lot.
Richo Rosai
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Posted:
Jun 30 2008 01:43 pm
Tuckster wrote:
I'm very opposed to the use of marijuana; I know a lot of you will probably disagree (and I'm not really interested in discussing it), but I think it can and does ruin lives - not always, but too often. I have lots of friends who could've been so much more if they hadn't spent their college days sitting around smoking dope.
That being said, I'm also one of those who can't understand how alcohol can be legal but not marijuana.
(I guess this means I answer both 1) and 3) in the poll.)
So you want a nanny state to prevent everyone from doing things that can, in excess, ruin their lives? And who gets to decide what "ruin" means? Maybe sitting around smoking pot until you die is the best way to spend your life.
There goes alcohol, like you said, and obviously tobacco. Probably should eliminate fried foods. And bye-bye video games. Etc, etc.
In the words of Penn, "When you criminalize things that aren't real crimes, you still create real criminals."
Anyway, it's good to see a majority of reasonable people here. It's funny how more and more people seem to agree that pot being illegal is bullshit, yet the government seems to be more restrictive than ever if anything. Perhaps there will be a breaking point when reasonable people of younger generations get into power, though I'm not optimistic.
Unfortunately, I've never tried pot because it's too expensive and hard to find where I live.
Richo Rosai
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Posted:
Jun 30 2008 01:47 pm
Mitch wrote:
I'm not trying to argue against making pot legal, but this is a logical fallacy that annoys me a lot.
Isn't it only a fallacy if he states that alcohol should in fact not be illegal? Let's assume, heh.
Mitch
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Posted:
Jun 30 2008 02:02 pm
Richo Rosai wrote:
Isn't it only a fallacy if he states that alcohol should in fact not be illegal? Let's assume, heh.
He ignored an alternative that would void the argument. That was the problem.
Blackout
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Posted:
Jun 30 2008 02:03 pm
Even though I no longer smoke it and don't like being around people who are smoking it I think it should probably be legalized and taxed.
docinsano
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Jun 30 2008 02:28 pm
I think all drugs should be legalized and regulated. I saw a documentary called American Drug War: The Last White Hope. There was a section where they briefly discussed drug policy in amsterdam. From what I understand they classify drugs into hard and soft. Hard being drugs like heroin and cocaine and soft being pot and mushrooms. Meth is largely a problem here but in the Netherlands it isn't as prevalent. Also, according to the documentary, there are clinics where junkies can go get a clean needle and their daily fix. Drugs don't ruin peoples lives, people ruin their own lives. Sure you can get addicted to any kind of drug, prescription or not, and alcohol is addictive as well. Cigarettes are addictive and can ruin people's lives too. Food can be addictive and could potentially ruin a life as well. Video games can be addictive too, and certain games can ruin peoples lives. Anything can be addictive. The key is to do everything in moderation. There needs to be a balance. Whoops, I guess I kind of was rambling. Oh well.
I'll admit, i chose the "weed will ruin you" option but i will agree with the fact it should be legalized and mainly for medicine. If it was regulated, preventing every person in the country from getting high then the out come of downgrading illegal selling would be too great to pass up.
However i know a guy who smoked some MJ and was high for three to four days. Everyone has come to the conclusion that it was laced and i really didn't want to imagine what he was experiencing.
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Blackout
Title: Captain Oblivious
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Posted:
Jun 30 2008 04:12 pm
ReeperTheSeeker wrote:
However i know a guy who smoked some MJ and was high for three to four days. Everyone has come to the conclusion that it was laced and i really didn't want to imagine what he was experiencing.
That happened to me once, luckily I took it it well and didn't jump off a building or anything.
homefry25
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Posted:
Jun 30 2008 05:47 pm
There has been a pretty diverse opinion in here on this topic, I was kind of expecting everyone to be for legalizing it. Everyone has been making good points though. I voted yes because I enjoy the occasional smoke and it always does my head right. But I respect the opinions of those who don't approve or don't use it. I used to be in the army a couple years ago, I was stationed in Germany and got to go to Amsterdam a few times. It was great there, there is so much history, most people are very nice and easy to talk to, and if you like to use certain soft drugs it is perfectly legal as long as you are inside and they allow smoking. Things just seem a lot more laid back there in general, too. But I do have friends that don't smoke pot because it doesn't do them right, makes them really paranoid or they just don't like it or whatever. So I think it isn't for everyone, but I do think people should have the right to choose for themselves whether they smoke pot or not, it shouldn't be against the law in my opinion.
WTF Haley Barbour??! Don't you know your state is a fucking 3rd world country?
Laminated Sky
Title: Extra Crispy
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Posted:
Jun 30 2008 06:15 pm
Here watch this its all you need to know about this topic.
EDIT:
Quote:
Weed will ruin your life bro
By the way what kind of person uses: "weed", "ruin", and "bro" in the same sentence. It sounds hypocritical to me...
I'm so bananas I'm showing up to your open casket,
to fill it up with explosive gases,
and close it back,
with a lit match in it,
while I sit back, and just hope it catches.
Blow you to fragments,
laugh,
roll you, and smoke the ashes.
