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Dollhouse: The New Joss Whedon Power Hour


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Tebor
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PostPosted: Nov 02 2007 12:13 am Reply with quote Back to top

Joss is returning to TV... and not just any TV, but FOX! After saying he'd never work with the network again after the "Firefly" fiasco, Joss has teamed up with Tim Minear and Eliza Dushku to try it again.

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Titled Dollhouse, the show will star former Buffy player Eliza Dushku as a secret agent named Echo. However, she won't be simply flashing a badge and kicking criminals in the face. Each of the agents in Echo's group can have abilities and personalities uploaded into themselves for specific assignments; when they complete the assignment, the memories are wiped from their minds. Dushku's character eventually begins to figure out what is transpiring and realizes that she is being used.

"[Dollhouse] deals with our darkest impulses and our best ones," Whedon said. "It deals with all the things I like to deal with--strength, weakness, power, and corruption."

Dollhouse has been given a seven-episode commitment with Fox, and is expected to premiere sometime next year. The idea apparently came to Whedon over a recent lunch meeting with Dushku.

As for the tone of the show, Whedon thinks that Buffy fans will be pleased. "If [Buffy fans] could only see what's in my head right now... They should be [excited]," Whedon told TVWeek.

This marks Whedon's first return to running a television show since Buffy spinoff Angel went off the air in 2004. This also ends Whedon's standoff with Fox, which came about after the network canceled Firefly after only 11 episodes (which were shown out of order).

"It's a brand new day over [at Fox]," said Whedon. "It's a completely new bunch of people and they seem really intelligent and supportive."

Whedon is also working on Ripper, another Buffy spinoff, as well as taking the occasional guest directing spot on The Office.


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PostPosted: Nov 02 2007 09:57 am Reply with quote Back to top

I'm a big fan of Dushku and what Whedon's done in the past, but it's a bit hypocritical of him going back to Fox.

Plus, I'm a little sick of Whedon's attitudes toward gender. Can't he have a main character that's a dude for once? He acts like all men are evil and women are our saviors. It's a bit silly. Reminds me of the creator of Wonder Woman a bit, and some of the opinions expressed by Tesla.
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PostPosted: Nov 02 2007 10:08 am Reply with quote Back to top

Cattivo wrote:
Plus, I'm a little sick of Whedon's attitudes toward gender. Can't he have a main character that's a dude for once?

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PostPosted: Nov 02 2007 12:46 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Cattivo wrote:
and some of the opinions expressed by Tesla.

The band or the inventor guy?
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PostPosted: Nov 02 2007 01:50 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I don't know much about Firefly cuz I didn't like it when I first watched it. From what I've heard from fans, I assumed Whedon also paid a lot of attention to the Gina Torres character and the "whore with a heart of gold" character. Not to mention the previews for the movie advertised a guest character with special powers that was a female.

And I was referring to the inventor Tesla, not the band, which I didn't know existed. Tesla predicted, much like William Marston of Wonder Woman fame, that we would eventually live in a matriarchy.
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PostPosted: Nov 02 2007 06:11 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Cattivo wrote:
I'm a big fan of Dushku and what Whedon's done in the past, but it's a bit hypocritical of him going back to Fox.

Plus, I'm a little sick of Whedon's attitudes toward gender. Can't he have a main character that's a dude for once? He acts like all men are evil and women are our saviors. It's a bit silly. Reminds me of the creator of Wonder Woman a bit, and some of the opinions expressed by Tesla.

Were there not a bunch of characters who were male and not evil? The wikipedia lists Giles, Xander, Westley, Gunn, and if you allow for vampires Angel.

So, he doesn't have main characters that are male, except when they are. And all of the male characters presented therien are evil, except when they aren't.


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PostPosted: Nov 02 2007 11:16 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Whedon is the supergeek.

And, what do all geeks love?

Hot chicks with superpowers.

I'm sure there is some Fruedian term for it, but I have seen it countless times in computer and tabletop RPGs. Prime example: In World Of Warcraft, how many Dark-Elf females do you think are acually played by women?

Nuff said.
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PostPosted: Nov 02 2007 11:35 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Some sort of odd combo of the odiepus complex and the superego?


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PostPosted: Nov 03 2007 12:58 am Reply with quote Back to top

Cattivo wrote:
I don't know much about Firefly cuz I didn't like it when I first watched it. From what I've heard from fans, I assumed Whedon also paid a lot of attention to the Gina Torres character and the "whore with a heart of gold" character. Not to mention the previews for the movie advertised a guest character with special powers that was a female.

Oh Lord no. "Firefly" is first and foremost Mal's story. From pilot to "Out of Gas" to "Objects in Space" to "Serenity" to "Those Left Behind" it is all about Mal.

Sure, there's time for his relationship with Inara, and time spent with Zoe and Kaylee, but like "Angel" they are only supporting characters to the lead.

"Angel" was Angel's show. Cordelia and Fred were his supports and lifelines. The show never strayed too far from Angel's personal quest for redemption.

And what is this about Whedon not caring about his male characters!? Spike was a very strong, masculine protagonist, so much so that he got moved to "Angel" after "Buffy". Sure, Xander didn't have powers and was the butt of a lot jokes and situations, but he was never emasculated. The same could be said for Riley and Giles. I'll give you that Andrew was not quite the most masculine of characters and still questionably homosexual... But, hey, let's embrace all aspects of the Y-chromosome!

As already stated "Angel" was perhaps Whedon's strongest masculine show because of Angel, Wesley, and Gunn. Let's also add uber-villain Lindsey to that list as he had one of the most dimensional antagonist roles in any Whedon series. And who could forget that rambunctious Conner and pacifist Lorne? Moving away from the amount of characters, storylinewise Wesley and Gunn carried a significant amount of that show, especially with both of them surviving throughout the whole series. Season four was a Conner driven season that dealt with mostly teenage boy and father issues.

Come to think of it with "Angel" and "Firefly" being both led by male protagonists, I do believe that "Dollhouse" will even the score. Wink


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PostPosted: Nov 03 2007 04:13 am Reply with quote Back to top

Maybe that's why I ended up liking Angel more than Buffy. That and the more serious drama vs. teen angst.
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PostPosted: Nov 03 2007 06:02 am Reply with quote Back to top

I hope Eliza has finally found her true calling.
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PostPosted: Nov 03 2007 04:31 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
I hope Eliza has finally found her true calling.

*rimshot*


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PostPosted: May 18 2008 05:01 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Dollhouse Trailer



Lots of familiar faces there: Harry J. Lennix, Tahmoh Penikett and according to IMDb Amy Acker will be in on it too. But I'm trying not to get too excited here. They'll probably cancel it anyway.
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PostPosted: May 18 2008 05:10 pm Reply with quote Back to top

itll get canceled.
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PostPosted: May 21 2008 10:17 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I love Eliza, and Whedon is an amazing writer.

But it's on Fox.

Not the smartest people on the planet. Canceled Futurama AND Family Guy. Didn't they also cancel her last show too, Tru Calling?


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PostPosted: May 28 2008 10:40 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Ghandi wrote:
I love Eliza, and Whedon is an amazing writer.

But it's on Fox.

Not the smartest people on the planet. Canceled Futurama AND Family Guy. Didn't they also cancel her last show too, Tru Calling?

Actually, I've been following this little soap opera.

Fox has a new president (something CW needs to do, ie fire Dawn! Evil ) and so far they seem to want to bring FOX back to its sci-fi roots; hence all the sci-fi shows. Fringe and Dollhouse are their big investments. Both shows will be given a BIG chance to succeed. The power both Abrams and Whedon hold is enough to keep Fox hesistent on early cancelation.

Terminator has been brought back despite less than desired ratings. This is a major victory for Fringe and Dollhouse. Of course, all three shows will be MONSTROUSLY EXPENSIVE! So the unspoken rule here is that one or two might go depending on how much ad revenue and ratings they get.


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PostPosted: May 29 2008 07:21 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I just read that Amy Acker is going to be on Dollhouse Cool Another Angel alum joins the cast. She was Fred, the country girl who really grew on you as Angel progressed.


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PostPosted: May 30 2008 04:46 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Ghandi wrote:
I just read that Amy Acker is going to be on Dollhouse Cool Another Angel alum joins the cast. She was Fred, the country girl who really grew on you as Angel progressed.

And then breaks your heart! Crying


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Off topic:

The Fringe pilot has already been leaked online. Go find it and teach J.J. another lesson about secrecy. j/k

Apparently when J.J.'s unfinished, early Superman draft got leaked online, J.J. became obsessed with secrecy. That's why there was a ton of it on LOST, M:I III, and the new Star Trek. I understand where he's coming from. I'm just curious if the pilot is "complete" or still in progress (reshoots, rescoring, etc.).


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I completely forgot that this starts today. Last thing I heard about it was that they halted production twice because Whedon had to shuffle the episode order around, come up with a new pilot and rewrite some scripts. I hope the changes were for the better and the show takes off. I'm going to fucking murder somebody in the face if it doesn't.



 
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PostPosted: Feb 13 2009 06:19 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I'm gonna try to watch it tonight - mainly because they cast Eliza Dushku in it.

We'll see if I still can like any of Whedon's stuff.
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PostPosted: Feb 13 2009 07:19 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Eliza Dushku!!!! I can't wait for Dollhouse! Very Happy

The Jossverse expands, maybe Faith was just a dream...


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PostPosted: Feb 14 2009 12:55 pm Reply with quote Back to top

It was pretty good. Some of the plot was obvious, but it was pretty freaky and entertaining. Plus, hot chicks are fun to watch. Cool
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It was a decent pilot. Not great, but not bad either, especially considering all the things they had to explain to the viewer and the rewrites they had to do. For now I'll be content if the show survives the initial thirteen episodes. Whedon's strength has always been in long-form storytelling and I read he already has a complete five season story arc planned out for the show. That's what I'm really interested in seeing.



 
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