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Syd Lexia
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PostPosted: Jul 30 2012 03:09 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Not baiting, not trolling, not my usual Nintendo fanboyism. This is a serious question.

When I bought an XBox 360, a little over 4 years ago, it was for two reasons:

1. None of the fighting games I wanted to play were going to come out on Wii
2. Of the two consoles that were getting all the same AAA releases I wanted, a used 360 was significantly cheaper.

Over time, the XBox grew into my choice system for fighting games, shmups, region-free import shmups, and offbeat Japanese titles like Catherine and Lollipop Chainsaw.

In more recent months, I have soured on XBox. I have come to realize that the PS3 has MUCH better exclusives, and that Microsoft has a great many problems.

Most importantly is this: their DLC/XBLA policies are absurd. Anything submitted to Microsoft has a mandatory three month waiting period before it can be approved. That means that unless a developer intentionally hold back DLC and/or digital games on all other platforms, Microsoft is always late to the party. A great example of this is Pinball Arcade. The PS3 version has three DLC packs available. The 360 version has ZERO. In a video game market where new sells and old (which is any game released more than a month ago) is tossed into giant bargain bins, developers don't like having to wait to have their games released. The makers of popular games such as Fez and Minecraft have said that the Microsoft approval process is so terrible and pointless that they probably wouldn't do it again if they had the choice.

A little over a year ago, Microsoft Japan issued a directive forbidding companies from releasing region-free games. International releases are expensive, and for small companies such as Cave, 5pb and Qute, this was a way to sell more copies of games that would usually end up rotting on store shelves, because the XBox doesn't sell at all in the Japanese/Asian markets. Microsoft decided that this was unacceptable, as they were being "cheated" out of money since the games were being sold to gamers in markets that the games weren't licensed for. Meanwhile, a great many North American XBox 360 releases do not have region protection: http://www.play-asia.com/paOScore/19-9-eNp9kGEKgzAMhe/SA4x2daDZYSRK54TalbYbyPDuS7ugmz/8lfDlvccjCKqCd4QziNiJawQFQuVJAOMvaEiB1rRp9oa5zLMC8UVIiJI0Ga3dnEtBg3FHCgrpH5NnyQi63vmN69ej0rvjy4Sj8AuIYGx747aqqUtxxinv5EodssCHIfEqT1Ku1BYqQTCZ0D3/SbyPfvvN8gHV1l/7-49-en.html

North American releases are encouraged not to have region protection, so as to give gamers in regions where XBox is not a strong seller (aka Japan) an added reason to own their system. But apparently the street cannot go both ways. The makers of Under Defeat HD lamented that they had wanted their 360 version to be region-free, and were told that they could not.

Microsoft has strong relations with EA, Activision, Take-Two and its own Microsoft Game Studios, all of which are the primary drive of its sales, but its relations with international developers, small developers, and indie developers are weak.

But Microsoft outsells Sony in the all important American market, and Wii lacks the technical specifications and physical disk space to do what many devs want to do, so playing ball with Microsoft is a necessity, much like playing ball with Nintendo was a necessity in the NES/SNES era.

But... we all know what happened to Nintendo once playing ball with them STOPPED being a necessity.

By the end of the year, Microsoft will have the worst console on the market. They have managed to keep their hardware sales up by rebranding themselves as an entertainment center instead of a gaming system, and their gaming seems to be faltering as a result. XBox 360 is now used more to stream music and video than it is to play video games: http://www.techpowerup.com/163292/Main-Use-of-Xbox-360-is-Not-Gaming-Microsoft.html

I think a lot of developers, especially Japanese developers, are looking for an excuse to abandon Microsoft. A strong launch for the Wii U, combined with strong holiday sales for the PS3, could spell the beginning of the end for Microsoft's console division. The XBox 720 rumor mill has been working overtime lately though, and it's being said we'll see the 720 by the end of 2013. That will be the true test. A weak 720 launch (and it's hard to imagine a competitive pricing point for a system that's being hyped as 6 times more powerful than a PS3) against market share gains by Nintendo and Sony could spell the end of Capcom/Namco/Konami/Atlus/Sega/Whatever titles for Microsoft. Of course, Microsoft may not need them. Out of the best-selling XBox 360 games, the first Japanese game on the list is Resident Evil 5 at #34: http://www.vgchartz.com/platform/7/xbox-360/

It's hard to say though. If all your system has is GTA, Halo, and Call of Duty, and 2/3 of those are available on systems with more diverse libraries, which system are you going to buy?
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PostPosted: Jul 30 2012 03:22 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I remember reading a while ago that in Japan they don't even play with 360s and that they sell them really cheap.

http://www.edge-online.com/news/xbox-360-dead-japan
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In Tokyo's smaller, specialist stores, Xbox 360 consoles and games are beginning to appear in bargain bins, or "wagon sales". Games can be had for as little as ¥100 (79p), with one store selling the Halo: Reach hardware bundle for ¥9,980 (£79.30).


But like i said on a thread here before. I can never understand why people support a console with a hardware failure rate as high as it has.
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PostPosted: Jul 30 2012 04:06 pm Reply with quote Back to top

For a while it had more exclusives than the PS3 (at least, more that I was interested in). I can honestly say that I picked the Xbox 360 over the PS3 because of the first Dead Rising. Now, though, basically everything I want also comes out on the PS3 (excluding the Condemned games and Blue Dragon), and more. I'm still reeling over the fact that I'll never get to play Heavy Rain, MGS4, LittleBigPlanet, or the upcoming The Last of Us without getting a PS3. Sad


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PostPosted: Jul 30 2012 04:59 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The Xbox 360 is vulnerable in the sense that it is much easier to hack than the PS3.


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PostPosted: Jul 30 2012 05:04 pm Reply with quote Back to top

yeah, microsoft is definitely vulnerable. especially w/their restrictions on XBLA games. but even then, multi-platform games sell more on the xbox than on the ps3, so publishers are willing to put up w/the xbox BS.

and they got cool games coming out like this one:



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PostPosted: Jul 30 2012 07:53 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I never understood the reason Cave and G Rev. put out so many STGs for 360. And nobody is sure what is happening with Cave right now. These guys make the big bucks off the arcade market anyway afaik.

I don't think Japanese developers are going to shift over to Nintendo or Sony. Sony would have to come up with some great plans to win back the Western market for that to happen. Nintendo is still being all non-traditional and won't win over 3rd parties. The US market is bigger than Japan's. Companies like Capcom launched Resident Evil 4 in America before Japan. Nintendo DS launched in America before Japan. Japan is targeting Western audiences now. Look at Resident Evil 5. That game was trying to be as Gears of War as possible.

I don't think DLC/XBLA games are going to matter much looking at the top selling games for each console chartz. Now if you are saying that will be the big game trend on consoles instead of simple tablet/iPhone/handheld games that's not something I agree with. Though Crytek producer thinks cloud gaming is where things are headed. I don't think physical console games will be phased out for the online stores next generation. For a handheld this will happen faster as it makes sense as people think everything should be like a cellphone that is small and it is easier for smaller companies to develop games for.

In the end, Microsoft is going to do whatever it takes to maintain its standing. They were willing to lose billions on XBOX 1. Sony can't afford such sacrificial costs. Halo 4 on 360 will sell millions. (I don't know why Microsoft didn't delay it onto XBOX720.) And companies will continue to maximize their profit margins by putting their games on both systems.

Alowishus wrote:
I remember reading a while ago that in Japan they don't even play with 360s and that they sell them really cheap.

http://www.edge-online.com/news/xbox-360-dead-japan
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In Tokyo's smaller, specialist stores, Xbox 360 consoles and games are beginning to appear in bargain bins, or "wagon sales". Games can be had for as little as ¥100 (79p), with one store selling the Halo: Reach hardware bundle for ¥9,980 (£79.30).


But like i said on a thread here before. I can never understand why people support a console with a hardware failure rate as high as it has.


Please let me know where I can buy a cheap JPN 360 that is 30 GB or more. I need one to play Senko No Ronde: DUO.

And yea I never understood people buying 3-4 Playstations and Playstation2 units.


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PostPosted: Jul 30 2012 08:25 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The 360's best selling game has sold 18 million copies. The Wii has 7 games that have sold more than that.

Also, as of April 2012:

360 has sold 67.2 million consoles worldwide
PS3 has sold 63.9 million consoles worldwide

The systems are more or less evenly matched right now in terms of market share.

Microsoft is beatable.
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PostPosted: Jul 30 2012 08:37 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I think if Sony can get and keep their prices down they will be able to take back some market share. That is the reason I waited to buy the PS3, the damn thing was so expensive at launch it wasn't worth it. I'd love to have another controller for my PS3 but fucking 55 dollars is insane for a controller, their prices are just too high. Now that I have a PS3 I actually regret ever buying the 360. Mine just sits there for the most part unless I borrow a game from my brother who only owns a 360. Hell I'd probably use it more if mine had an HDMI output and could stream Netflix without having to pay for XBox Live just to take some strain off the PS3.
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PostPosted: Jul 30 2012 08:42 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Oh, we're talking about who will comes in second place sales wise this generation then. It wasn't clear from the title whether it was about 360, 720, or simply the XBOX brand in general being vulnerable.

I don't think Sony has anything to overcome Halo4 and Gears of War4 with in the remaining life of this console gen...

...The Last of Us..?


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PostPosted: Jul 30 2012 08:58 pm Reply with quote Back to top

We're talking about whether MS's current business practices are sustainable. Will GOW4 and Halo 4 sell as games? Yes. But will they sell new consoles? Probably not. If people didn't buy into Halo 3 or GOW 1-3, why would they suddenly buy into sequels?
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PostPosted: Jul 30 2012 09:12 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I imagine Microsoft has enough disposable cash that they can sustain any sort of business practice they want for quite a long time. Hell the money they'll make off Windows 8 will probably pay for the next Xbox generation alone.
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PostPosted: Jul 30 2012 10:24 pm Reply with quote Back to top

The quality of the XBOX 360 as a product in terms of consistently providing new and exciting gaming experiences has sharply declined in the past year. The PS3 has finally hit its prime, with exclusive game after exclusive game that looks fantastic, while the steady stream of quality titles only on XBOX has slowed to a trickle. Two years ago I would have said there is no real reason to own a PS3. These days, I recommend it over the XBOX.


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PostPosted: Jul 30 2012 10:33 pm Reply with quote Back to top

If something becomes unprofitable though, you kill it off. XBox was a pet project of Bill Gates, and he retired.
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I think all of this conjecture is based off of extrapolation, which is never a good thing... if you consider the release of huge impact games like Halo 4 later this year, sales will pick right back up from all the people who are already fans of that series. This is true of any truly popular game. It invigorates interest in older games of the series too, so their sales will briefly pick up (or at least, I'd think so). So saying something will probably happen or other is more than likely pointless until we get closer to the actual release of anything Microsoft has to offer. It could be that interest has finally fallen from Microsoft's stuff. Conversely, it may be a point where they become dominant for years to come. No way to know until it actually happens.


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PostPosted: Jul 31 2012 01:01 am Reply with quote Back to top

Drew Linky wrote:
I think all of this conjecture is based off of extrapolation, which is never a good thing... if you consider the release of huge impact games like Halo 4 later this year, sales will pick right back up from all the people who are already fans of that series. This is true of any truly popular game. It invigorates interest in older games of the series too, so their sales will briefly pick up (or at least, I'd think so). So saying something will probably happen or other is more than likely pointless until we get closer to the actual release of anything Microsoft has to offer. It could be that interest has finally fallen from Microsoft's stuff. Conversely, it may be a point where they become dominant for years to come. No way to know until it actually happens.

As soon as I read this, I thought...
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Will GOW4 and Halo 4 sell as games? Yes. But will they sell new consoles? Probably not.

I can see what you're saying, but I don't think someone is suddenly going to buy a 360 when Halo 4 comes out just so they can buy every Halo game at once. Plus, considering Halo and GoW have been around so long, I'd like to think that anyone interested in either series has long since invested in them by now.


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PostPosted: Jul 31 2012 06:47 am Reply with quote Back to top

Drew Linky wrote:
I think all of this conjecture is based off of extrapolation, which is never a good thing...

I think this is a fair statement, but not for the reasons you said. Moreso, because real life doesn't often follow predictable patterns.

If we were to extrapolate the success of the PS3 based on the successes of the PSX and PS2, it should have been a runaway hit. But factors such as a delayed launch, system shortages at launch, weak launch titles, an uncompetitive launch price, and the fierce popularity of the PS2 prevented this from happening.

Alternatively, if you were to look at Nintendo consoles sales from the NES through the Gamecube, you'd notice a decline in every consecutive generation. The obvious theory would be that the Wii would sell even less and would spell the end of Nintendo's days as a console maker. Obviously, this did not happen either.
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PostPosted: Jul 31 2012 07:42 am Reply with quote Back to top

I'm a bit of a tech geek, and I found this interesting because I have a PS3 and was considering an Xbox because I'm becoming disheartened with Sony.

I see that a lot of you are looking at this from the game market angle, in which case I can agree that the PS3 is hitting hard right now as developers seem to have perfected it's potential. As a media system though, I feel like every update is making it worse. The point is, the Windows 8 interface and the UI for Xbox Dash and Windows phone, I was under the impression, are heading towards being able to integrate in very interesting ways. The ability to take social media/gaming from phone to tablet/PC to your TV is going to be a very powerful force that the other two console makers won't be able to compete with as easily. Then, if it's in your living room due to this seamless functionality, it's got the backup of the third parties by default. They want to be in there too.

I get the feeling that Sony is going to be focusing on the Vita in the near future more than the PS3 to try to get at that 3DS/iGames/droid money, and that they'll fail and waste their time. XBOX will come back hard with their 720 soon enough, but the Wii U will dominate in the near future at least until then. Nintendo are sure as shit getting my money as soon as that thing's on the shelf.


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PostPosted: Jul 31 2012 12:22 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Another recent announcement is that soon the PS3 will be offering Crunchyroll as an app on the PS3/Vita. Crunchyroll is like an anime-only Netflix, mostly offering subtitled content at $7 a month.


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PostPosted: Jul 31 2012 09:35 pm Reply with quote Back to top

It will definitely be interesting to see how this console generation ends, and how the next one begins. I agree with many points made by Syd and others; the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 are evening out, and it is entirely possible that Microsoft loses out in console sales.

Equally interesting is how both game consoles have slowly been transforming into multimedia devices. I am still a bit surprised with the success of the Kinect unit, but whenever I check out my friends list, there are quite a few who are using it for YouTube or other apps. I would also imagine that the Playstation 3's Blu-ray capabilities are still appealing now that HD television sets are more affordable.

I feel that Microsoft's proving grounds will occur during their next console's initial release. My understanding is the huge Xbox 360 failure rate was known by Microsoft before release, but sales moved forward to gain a market advantage. If something like this were to happen again, I'm pretty sure the negative press could be devastating.

Personally, the annual Xbox 360 online fee - which is about $40 or even less if you find it on sale at Amazon or Dealzon - isn't too bad. I would also say that the party chat option, in which eight people in just about any game can be in the same audio room, is something the Playstation 3 should get immediately.
Cameron wrote:
I can see what Drew is] saying, but I don't think someone is suddenly going to buy a 360 when Halo 4 comes out just so they can buy every Halo game at once. Plus, considering Halo and GoW have been around so long, I'd like to think that anyone interested in either series has long since invested in them by now.

I would mostly agree, but the specialized console bundles seem to sell somewhat decently.
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PostPosted: Aug 01 2012 01:03 am Reply with quote Back to top

When the fuck did Syd turn into Vert1?


Pretty much the greatest thread of all time: http://www.sydlexia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14789

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Tyop created a virus for your Xbox 360 that uses the Kinnect's facial recognition to tell when you and your sister are in the same room as each other.

Using advanced voice mimicking software the 360 will randomly say things on you and your sister's behalf.

Select examples include:
"Syd, thanks so much for buying me the beer!"
"Kriss, don't you agree that Jeebus smells like a wet dog?"

However this virus allows for external modification, which Tyop has graciously allowed Klimbatize to adjust the statements at his discretion.



 
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PostPosted: Aug 01 2012 02:19 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I don't have Kinect. So that's a slight flaw in this plan.
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PostPosted: Aug 04 2012 03:57 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I think you mean are people who play XBOX vulnerable!

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhwh6d8Z15Hq06ipX3


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PostPosted: Aug 07 2012 12:26 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Im not really in the mood to write a long essay about this, but I feel MS is by far in the best position going into next-gen, while Sony is in the worst. Sony have lost more money on the PS3 than they earned on PS1, PS2 and PSP sales in total, they just had another terrible quater, and the mother-company is also loosing money on everything they do except insurance (lol). MS on the other hand, is earning tons of cash on both their gaming division and their other divisions, have fantastic mindshare in the american market (and growing in Europe), and have enough money to launch an extremely powerful next-gen console with heavy looses. Sony definitely cant play that game again, so they are bound to launch a more expensive console if they want to keep up with MS.

Nintendo, is as always the difficult one to predict. They have a huge war chest, so they can definitely be aggressive if they want to (just look at the 3DS pricedrop), and they have the best exclusives in the industry, however, the question is if the Wii U can manage to interest regular peole in the same way that the Wii did. My guess is probably not, but that the console still will do pretty well from the start thanks to them launching early at an reasonable price, with a great launch line-up, decent innovations and more mindshare than in ten years. The question is if that solid start will be transformed into thirdparty support. If it will, i See Nintendo winning next-gen once again, if not, they will probably be out-paced by MS after a few years.

Anyways, I dont at all share your views on MS. They are in such a great position vis-a-vis Sony right now, and as long as they want to be a relevant player in the living room-space, they will continue to sink money into its gaming division - and stay the prefered console for the massive teenager/dudebro-market - and then some.
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