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Joined: Dec 06 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 11244

I bet you can't saw your finger off!

This totally messes with my head... how? How!

Posted: Oct 24 2011 11:22 am

I knew it wouldn't happen, but I was hoping it would go wrong and there would be a lot of blood and screaming.

Posted: Oct 24 2011 12:04 pm

Very impressive!

atomjacked wrote:

I knew it wouldn't happen, but I was hoping it would go wrong and there would be a lot of blood and screaming.

Folks, right now, we, uh, may need emergency surgery in the studio.

Banned Joined: Sep 13 2008 Posts: 3129

I SAW this a while ago, also I think it'd be worth it

60 is NOT worse than losing a finger.

Posted: Oct 24 2011 10:26 pm

I saw this on TV when it premiered. Is this show still on the air?

Title: Comic Author Joined: Dec 12 2008 Posts: 1179

It's on in repeats occasionally, but it hasn't had any new eps in years now. Have to admit, I was expecting a bloody accident as well. Very nifty to see how that works, I wasn't even aware they existed before.

Posted: Oct 25 2011 01:03 am

Apparently they've been around for a very long time, but companies won't buy them.

Title: Comic Author Joined: Dec 12 2008 Posts: 1179

You'd really think that every power saw company out there would have them as mandatory... Not only for the obvious safety factor, but for the fact that it increases sales, since you have to buy a replacement blade and sawstop mechanism.

Joined: Dec 06 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 11244

Fernin, I imagine that the first time it doesn't work, you would be in big, big trouble.

Even if it fails 1 out of 10,000, that is going to be a very large lawsuit.

Posted: Oct 25 2011 01:13 pm

You would think that the inventor putting his life in the hands of his product on national TV in front of state-of-the-art high speed cameras would be the best sales pitch in the world. Maybe they should have gotten Billy Mays to do it before he went.

That said, you have a point, GPF. Perhaps it's best marketed to the paranoid and clumsy as opposed to the trained and disciplined.

Joined: Mar 18 2010 Location: Tuonela Posts: 299

GPFontaine wrote:

Even if it fails 1 out of 10,000, that is going to be a very large lawsuit.

Isn't it possible to sell the saw with terms of use that state, that the safety mechanism's functionality can't be 100% guaranteed, but that it's an if-all-else-fails -type of thing. Like seat belts.

Posted: Oct 25 2011 11:11 pm

A vehicle accident and a workshop accident are two very different things.

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Vaenamoenen wrote:

GPFontaine wrote:

Even if it fails 1 out of 10,000, that is going to be a very large lawsuit.

Isn't it possible to sell the saw with terms of use that state, that the safety mechanism's functionality can't be 100% guaranteed, but that it's an if-all-else-fails -type of thing. Like seat belts.

My thought is that someone would argue that their fingers weren't recognized because the system failed at some level... maybe they don't produce enough salt, electricity, or the wind speed was wrong coming off the shoreline breeze... Excuses, but none the less, arguments for why the machine would have failed and didn't work as advertised leading to severe trauma.

Posted: Oct 26 2011 12:51 pm

If someone's skin wasn't secreting enough of whatever the system detects for its trigger, I would think they wouldn't have any business being anywhere near a sawblade in the first place.

Joined: Dec 06 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 11244

What if the person was wearing gloves?

Posted: Oct 26 2011 02:18 pm

GPFontaine wrote:

What if the person was wearing gloves?

Better rub hotdog all over those gloves first then.

Posted: Oct 26 2011 03:34 pm

If someone was wearing gloves, I imagine one of two things would happen. 1) The gloves are conductive, the blade drops. 2) The gloves are not conductive, the saw cuts through the glove, touches the finger inside, and drops.

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Valdronius wrote:

If someone was wearing gloves, I imagine one of two things would happen. 1) The gloves are conductive, the blade drops. 2) The gloves are not conductive, the saw cuts through the glove, touches the finger inside, and drops.

Oooh... interesting...

Posted: Oct 26 2011 08:47 pm

Unless the gloves wipe off or otherwise remove the fluids from the skin that trigger the safety or something.

Posted: Oct 27 2011 05:51 am

GPFontaine wrote:

Vaenamoenen wrote:

GPFontaine wrote:

Even if it fails 1 out of 10,000, that is going to be a very large lawsuit.

Isn't it possible to sell the saw with terms of use that state, that the safety mechanism's functionality can't be 100% guaranteed, but that it's an if-all-else-fails -type of thing. Like seat belts.

My thought is that someone would argue that their fingers weren't recognized because the system failed at some level... maybe they don't produce enough salt, electricity, or the wind speed was wrong coming off the shoreline breeze... Excuses, but none the less, arguments for why the machine would have failed and didn't work as advertised leading to severe trauma.

But without the device, their finger would have been cut off anyway so I really don't think your arguement that they can sue the inventor if the device doesn't work holds water. Unless the person intentionally sticks their digits into the machine for kicks, in which case no judge is going to award them anything. I mean, it's still a table saw at the end of the day; just one that has a failsafe built into it.

It'd be like trying to sue Toyota because your airbag didn't deploy when you intentionally drove the car off a cliff.

Joined: Dec 06 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 11244

Panda, this is the United States of America... Do you read the news? People drive with coffee in their laps, spill it, and then blame the vendor for making it too hot. As a country we thrive off of insane lawsuits.

It is unhealthy for individuals and for our culture, however I could definitely see inventors such as this guy paying the price for a failure in his safety mechanism.

Joined: Jun 29 2010 Posts: 1818

Turns out you /can/ sue Toyota if you drive your car off a cliff and the airbags don't deploy. Chances are you won't win it, but you can file the lawsuit. It's like GPF said, you can sue anyone, for anything.
If the inventor wants to be on the safe side, however, he could always let the companies build the device and live off royalties. They wouldn't be suing /him/, only the companies that make the saws. At least, it's my understanding of the law (a foreign who doesn't understand his own laws Razz

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"WARNING: Don't be an idiot" in bold letters might help too :O

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If you do this without previously requesting that a change be made, you are an asshole:
http://www.mehrban.com/index.php/feature

Posted: Oct 28 2011 10:39 am

Well to be clear, I was talking about winning a lawsuit, not just filing one. Of course anyone can be sued for anything, but I was talking about such a lawsuit actually being successful.