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Posted: Feb 03 2011 10:38 pm

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Few areas of science are more controversial than cold fusion, the hypothetical near-room-temperature reaction in which two smaller nuclei join together to form a single larger nucleus while releasing large amounts of energy. In the 1980s, Stanley Pons and Martin Fleishmann claimed to have demonstrated cold fusion - which could potentially provide the world with a cheap, clean energy source - but their experiment could not be reproduced. Since then, all other claims of cold fusion have been illegitimate, and studies have shown that cold fusion is theoretically implausible, causing mainstream science to become highly speculative of the field in general.

Despite the intense skepticism, a small community of scientists is still investigating near-room-temperature fusion reactions. The latest news occurred last week, when Italian scientists Andrea Rossi and Sergio Focardi of the University of Bologna announced that they developed a cold fusion device capable of producing 12,400 W of heat power with an input of just 400 W. Last Friday, the scientists held a private invitation press conference in Bologna, attended by about 50 people, where they demonstrated what they claim is a nickel-hydrogen fusion reactor. Further, the scientists say that the reactor is well beyond the research phase; they plan to start shipping commercial devices within the next three months and start mass production by the end of 2011.

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Sounds like a bunch of "Bologna" to me.

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Damn...Josh beat me to the obvious pun.

Posted: Feb 03 2011 11:40 pm

All I can think of is the marine in the first Star Craft cracking a beer out of the bomb storage thingie and saying "Thank God for cold fusion!"

Then a Hydralisk ate him...

Still, pretty cool if it's true.

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Very cool if it is true and the technology isn't sold to an oil company... but also very unlikely to be as good as they claim, or to use resources that are plentiful.

Posted: Feb 04 2011 09:10 am

The idea of free energy is fantastic, but even if it's not a hoax and they managed to do that, some energy company would buy it up and find a way to charge out the nose for it. That said, I think they're pulling people's legs, which is a real shame. Remember when the Raelians said they'd cloned a human being? We're still waiting on that, too, and I get the same vibe here.

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Now what happens if you dump free energy onto the world market, stock markets around the world would plummet, our own economy would collapse overnight, recession, unemployment, war….the world is speeding up too fast, we can barely hold on as it is.

Posted: Feb 04 2011 01:41 pm

GPFontaine wrote:

Now what happens if you dump free energy onto the world market, stock markets around the world would plummet, our own economy would collapse overnight, recession, unemployment, war….the world is speeding up too fast, we can barely hold on as it is.

Hardly. At least initially, there'd be a massive growth area for people who'd be needed to implement said new technology, possibly with the need to make new lines with increased capacitance to hold said energy. There'd also be a need to decomission nuclear or coal-based plants and clean them up, creating more jobs. And really, free energy would be anything but; I'm sure that energy companies would charge the same, if not more, for the energy they're producing, as it would be "greener", something that always carries a higher price tag.

As an Arizonan, I can point to miles and miles worth of swaths of flat land surrounding the Phoenix/Mesa/Tempe/Gilbert/Chandler/Scottsdale megalopolis that aren't arable and would be perfect for large-scale solar panel installation, another thing that would drive jobs and improve the environment, but the ham-fisted corporation that is SRP would make certain that'd never happen. Just like the likelihood that a non-fossil fuel based, affordable vehicle probably won't be within reach during any of the lifetimes of those on our board. Until we remove big business from the equation, any notion of sweeping technological advances like that will remain firmly the purview of sci-fi writers/directors.

As always, the question with the implementation of any new, likely better, technologies throughout the world boils down to the following. Cui bono? Or, in English, "Who profits?"

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aeonic wrote:

GPFontaine wrote:

Now what happens if you dump free energy onto the world market, stock markets around the world would plummet, our own economy would collapse overnight, recession, unemployment, war….the world is speeding up too fast, we can barely hold on as it is.

Hardly. At least initially, there'd be a massive growth area for people who'd be needed to implement said new technology, possibly with the need to make new lines with increased capacitance to hold said energy. There'd also be a need to decomission nuclear or coal-based plants and clean them up, creating more jobs. And really, free energy would be anything but; I'm sure that energy companies would charge the same, if not more, for the energy they're producing, as it would be "greener", something that always carries a higher price tag.

As an Arizonan, I can point to miles and miles worth of swaths of flat land surrounding the Phoenix/Mesa/Tempe/Gilbert/Chandler/Scottsdale megalopolis that aren't arable and would be perfect for large-scale solar panel installation, another thing that would drive jobs and improve the environment, but the ham-fisted corporation that is SRP would make certain that'd never happen. Just like the likelihood that a non-fossil fuel based, affordable vehicle probably won't be within reach during any of the lifetimes of those on our board. Until we remove big business from the equation, any notion of sweeping technological advances like that will remain firmly the purview of sci-fi writers/directors.

As always, the question with the implementation of any new, likely better, technologies throughout the world boils down to the following. Cui bono? Or, in English, "Who profits?"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115857/

Posted: Feb 04 2011 03:29 pm

Touche, GP, but if you ask qui bono about that movie, why, it certainly wasn't the studio. Hey-o!

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joshwoodzy wrote:

Sounds like a bunch of "Bologna" to me.

It's really all Romers at this point.

Posted: Feb 04 2011 09:49 pm

Venice this thread going to start having corny puns?

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aeonic wrote:

Venice this thread going to start having corny puns?

Tell me if Genoa any good ones.

Posted: Feb 06 2011 12:40 pm

aeonic wrote:

Remember when the Raelians said they'd cloned a human being? We're still waiting on that, too, and I get the same vibe here.

If I was a psycho cult, and I cloned a human being, you can goddamn better believe I would keep that clone out of the public eye.

Posted: Feb 06 2011 12:48 pm

aeonic wrote:

As an Arizonan, I can point to miles and miles worth of swaths of flat land surrounding the Phoenix/Mesa/Tempe/Gilbert/Chandler/Scottsdale megalopolis that aren't arable and would be perfect for large-scale solar panel installation, another thing that would drive jobs and improve the environment, but the ham-fisted corporation that is SRP would make certain that'd never happen. Just like the likelihood that a non-fossil fuel based, affordable vehicle probably won't be within reach during any of the lifetimes of those on our board. Until we remove big business from the equation, any notion of sweeping technological advances like that will remain firmly the purview of sci-fi writers/directors.

As another Arizonan, I would have to agree. We do have the Corporation Commission here which somewhat keeps the utility companies in line in theory, but in practice they just approve whatever rate hikes the companies want. This is why we should have voted BARRY WONG in to the CC this past election cycle.

When I lived in Fort Collins, Colorado, our electricity was from a private company, but the gas service was municipal, publicly owned. It's only anecdotal, but I testify that FoCo gas service was the best experience I ever had with a utility company. Low price, great service, always easy to deal with. Wish I could say the same for APS.

However, I would also counter with the argument that we should completely destroy the Phoenix metro area and let nature take it back. It is pure insanity living in a desert, and I hope to leave as soon as finances allow.

Forget power, what about water? What happens if something horrible should occur and utilities are cut off? The entire Valley of the Sun would become the Valley of the Corpse. There are few roads out of the metro area, and they would become blocked by traffic jams and accidents within hours after some kind of disaster. The metro area itself would rapidly descend into chaos. With no water service, everyone is fucked, because it's not like you can collect it in rain barrels here.

Fuck the desert. It should burn, and people should learn their lesson to not live in a fucking desert. I love Arizona, but not the desert part.

Posted: Feb 06 2011 01:06 pm

i have lived in tucson, and i would rather stay in phoenix than go back to tucson.

but i agree, living in a desert is fucking ridiculously insane.

and fuck the APS

Posted: Feb 06 2011 05:01 pm

Jack Slater wrote:

aeonic wrote:

As an Arizonan, I can point to miles and miles worth of swaths of flat land surrounding the Phoenix/Mesa/Tempe/Gilbert/Chandler/Scottsdale megalopolis that aren't arable and would be perfect for large-scale solar panel installation, another thing that would drive jobs and improve the environment, but the ham-fisted corporation that is SRP would make certain that'd never happen. Just like the likelihood that a non-fossil fuel based, affordable vehicle probably won't be within reach during any of the lifetimes of those on our board. Until we remove big business from the equation, any notion of sweeping technological advances like that will remain firmly the purview of sci-fi writers/directors.

As another Arizonan, I would have to agree. We do have the Corporation Commission here which somewhat keeps the utility companies in line in theory, but in practice they just approve whatever rate hikes the companies want. This is why we should have voted BARRY WONG in to the CC this past election cycle.

When I lived in Fort Collins, Colorado, our electricity was from a private company, but the gas service was municipal, publicly owned. It's only anecdotal, but I testify that FoCo gas service was the best experience I ever had with a utility company. Low price, great service, always easy to deal with. Wish I could say the same for APS.

However, I would also counter with the argument that we should completely destroy the Phoenix metro area and let nature take it back. It is pure insanity living in a desert, and I hope to leave as soon as finances allow.

Forget power, what about water? What happens if something horrible should occur and utilities are cut off? The entire Valley of the Sun would become the Valley of the Corpse. There are few roads out of the metro area, and they would become blocked by traffic jams and accidents within hours after some kind of disaster. The metro area itself would rapidly descend into chaos. With no water service, everyone is fucked, because it's not like you can collect it in rain barrels here.

Fuck the desert. It should burn, and people should learn their lesson to not live in a fucking desert. I love Arizona, but not the desert part.

I love the desert. It's harsh and unforgiving, just like I am of Willow Smith. And besides, anyone who doesn't have the foresight to have at least a week's worth of potable water and non-perishable food stocked who lives out here is a fucking idiot and should defenestrate themselves in their shame. I have three weeks worth, four if I stretch it, and that's not counting what's in the fridge. Also, if you live out here and don't have forestry maps in case of an emergency, well, you're double-fucked. They cost five dollars to order online. Five dollars that could save your ass.

Posted: Feb 06 2011 05:12 pm

aeonic wrote:

I love the desert. It's harsh and unforgiving, just like I am of Willow Smith. And besides, anyone who doesn't have the foresight to have at least a week's worth of potable water and non-perishable food stocked who lives out here is a fucking idiot and should defenestrate themselves in their shame. I have three weeks worth, four if I stretch it, and that's not counting what's in the fridge. Also, if you live out here and don't have forestry maps in case of an emergency, well, you're double-fucked. They cost five dollars to order online. Five dollars that could save your ass.

Valid points, but I somewhat disagree. I am compassionate and forgiving, while also having absolutely no faith in the intelligence of the American people. Yes, they are utter morons and complete wastes of resources, but I cannot apply a callous bent to it. Peasants are born to be peasants, that's why others are born to be royalty to protect the peasants. Genetically, mind you, not the inbred fops that call themselves royalty today.

I try to take the Mormon approach and have years worth of storage. Anyway, I'm not talking about some huge storm that would necessitate a few weeks worth of food. I'm talking long term societal breakdown. Not that I think it is likely to happen soon, but I can see it as possible. And if it does happen, Phoenix is fucked. Yes, you can be prepared, but doesn't it make more sense to be in a natural environment that is more fit for human survival?

Yes sir, Oregon or Washington is where I wanna be. I'd rather have to take precautions for winter cold than not be able to grow food because there's nothing but barren dirt and no water.

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GPFontaine wrote:

aeonic wrote:

GPFontaine wrote:

Now what happens if you dump free energy onto the world market, stock markets around the world would plummet, our own economy would collapse overnight, recession, unemployment, war….the world is speeding up too fast, we can barely hold on as it is.

Hardly. At least initially, there'd be a massive growth area for people who'd be needed to implement said new technology, possibly with the need to make new lines with increased capacitance to hold said energy. There'd also be a need to decomission nuclear or coal-based plants and clean them up, creating more jobs. And really, free energy would be anything but; I'm sure that energy companies would charge the same, if not more, for the energy they're producing, as it would be "greener", something that always carries a higher price tag.

As an Arizonan, I can point to miles and miles worth of swaths of flat land surrounding the Phoenix/Mesa/Tempe/Gilbert/Chandler/Scottsdale megalopolis that aren't arable and would be perfect for large-scale solar panel installation, another thing that would drive jobs and improve the environment, but the ham-fisted corporation that is SRP would make certain that'd never happen. Just like the likelihood that a non-fossil fuel based, affordable vehicle probably won't be within reach during any of the lifetimes of those on our board. Until we remove big business from the equation, any notion of sweeping technological advances like that will remain firmly the purview of sci-fi writers/directors.

As always, the question with the implementation of any new, likely better, technologies throughout the world boils down to the following. Cui bono? Or, in English, "Who profits?"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115857/

Fuck that movie.

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FNJ wrote:

GPFontaine wrote:

aeonic wrote:

GPFontaine wrote:

Now what happens if you dump free energy onto the world market, stock markets around the world would plummet, our own economy would collapse overnight, recession, unemployment, war….the world is speeding up too fast, we can barely hold on as it is.

Hardly. At least initially, there'd be a massive growth area for people who'd be needed to implement said new technology, possibly with the need to make new lines with increased capacitance to hold said energy. There'd also be a need to decomission nuclear or coal-based plants and clean them up, creating more jobs. And really, free energy would be anything but; I'm sure that energy companies would charge the same, if not more, for the energy they're producing, as it would be "greener", something that always carries a higher price tag.

As an Arizonan, I can point to miles and miles worth of swaths of flat land surrounding the Phoenix/Mesa/Tempe/Gilbert/Chandler/Scottsdale megalopolis that aren't arable and would be perfect for large-scale solar panel installation, another thing that would drive jobs and improve the environment, but the ham-fisted corporation that is SRP would make certain that'd never happen. Just like the likelihood that a non-fossil fuel based, affordable vehicle probably won't be within reach during any of the lifetimes of those on our board. Until we remove big business from the equation, any notion of sweeping technological advances like that will remain firmly the purview of sci-fi writers/directors.

As always, the question with the implementation of any new, likely better, technologies throughout the world boils down to the following. Cui bono? Or, in English, "Who profits?"

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115857/

Fuck that movie.

Touché!