Knyte wrote:

Doddsino wrote: I mean I'm not a fan of the guy, but I do take offense when whoever the politician is, gets ridiculed for their military experience, or lack of. Again, this was like 30 years ago, I don't believe in this idea that 30 years later, it's the same approach, people change. What are people going to do if the US can go 40 years without a war? Who would they vote for? Presidential Election 2050: Canidate A - Doesn't have any military background. Canidate B - Was in the Army, but didn't do anything other than drills. HOW DO YOU CHOOSE?!!

"It's time someone had the courage to stand up and say: "I'm against those things that everybody hates"."

"Now I respect my opponent. I think he's a good man but, quite frankly, I agree with everything he just said!"

"I say your three cent titanium tax goes too far."

"And I say your three cent titanium tax doesn't go too far enough!"

Again Ash, I raise the question, does military experience make you a better leader during war times? The answer is no, because almost every President who has led us through war has either had no military experience or very little of it.

And Klim, Ron Paul hasn't always been a Republican, he was a Libertarian for a very short time.

Ash Burton wrote:

Again Dodd, I answer the question. I agree. However, the ability to listen to your field Generals and people who have actually gone to battle does work wonders doesnt it? It's the equivalent of some child sending you to war and telling you how to fight it because he knows, he's played Call of Duty. It's not that President Bush and his administration was filled with draft dodgers and deferment queens, its that they were arrogant enough to tell established Generals to shut the fuck up and get in line. That in turn cost American lives and innocent Iraqi lives as well, and that is a fact.

You mean just like every other President in history? He IS the Commander in Chief for a reason. If we truly allowed to generals to have absolute control, we would've lost thousands more in Vietnam. Do you really think a General gives a rat's fuck about public opinion?

I just love that you're SO stuck on the "draft dodging" thing, you bring it up every time you mention Bush's name, as if 30 years later it really fucking matters. I guess I'm not fit to run for office because I killed a mouse when I was a young child, because I'm still that evil pussy hate monger who picked on something smaller than me. The fact you're so stuck on that baffles me to no end.

Ash Burton wrote:

Please stop with the draft dodging nonsense and go back and read what I wrote, I never called him that. I was actually trying to draw a comparison to how ridiculous it would be if someone shouted that, just as it was ridiculous to shout Baby Killer.

Ash Burton wrote:

Imagine if during President Bush's speech Jim Webb yelled "Warmongering Draft Dodging PUSSY!". However true it may have been, it would still make Sen. Webb look like a whiny little bitch.

It's things like that, now while you didn't flat out call him a draft dodger, you admitted it to being true. I hate to say it but it's the way Glen Beck does business. "I'm not calling Obama a communist, but he believes is Socialism."

And as I said before, I don't even like Bush. I just find it annoying that people pull the same card over and over and over again about his military experience. I thought once he was out of office, it would be the end of it. But it's not, like I said before every single time I've heard you talk about him, you mention this. And I'm the one who is spewing? Give me a break, Ash! I don't like the guy either, I was fully behind him after 9/11 and I didn't believe that the Iraq situation was something that we needed to be in, afterall Iraq was one of the few places in the Middle East that didn't have any Taliban influence, because of the cold dictatorship.

But guess what? That has NOTHING to do with his military past. Absolutely nothing. When I hear people constantly harp about this, it really does make me lose respect for them. I mean I just gave you a valid argument as to why I didn't care for Bush that much. If I went the other route in saying I hate this Health Care plan, I would bring up Obama's past. Was he really born here? Bla bla bla. It's a ridiculous point to make in a situation that doesn't concern it.

And I understand you have experience, you've seen things happen. And if what you say is true, it's a shame. But that's war. Believe me, Vietnam would've destroyed this country if it was allowed to continue or if we allowed to do generals as they pleased. Just remember, they were asking for more people to go to Vietnam, in a time when people had already had more than enough of it. It doesn't matter how well you fight a war, if the people at home are against it, your hands are tied behind your back. And while the current war is not favorable, it's far from the way Vietnam was. And I'm not saying that the War on Terror is perfect, but the way we fight war has changed, and popular opinion of war has changed. If we don't win it quickly, then people want you out of there.