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Greg the White
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| ross_rifle113 wrote: |
Well does that mean prostitutes and your mom are gay then?
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Ross Rifle
Title: Rock N Roll God
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Burt Reynolds
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| ross_rifle113 wrote: |
Well does that mean prostitutes and your mom are gay then?
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Did you go to highschool?? It's a simple logic puzzle.
All homosexuals suck, but not everyone who sucks is a homosexual. Marcy sucks. Is she a homosexual? Answer: not enough information to determine if Marcy is a homosexual. So yes, other people do suck as well, but not all who suck are homosexuals.
Damn Canadian educational system.
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Ross Rifle
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Touche my friend, touche.
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JRA
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I was reading a book called The bible of rock , and there was a section called "words that are underused in album reviews by critics" and one of the words was "Niggardly."
Discuss.
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Douche McCallister
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So gay first meant happy
Then somehow it got turned into meaning homosexual
Then it becomes slang for stupid.
Homosexuals = Homosexuals. Homosexuals do NOT = gay.
Sure they call themselves the "gay" community but its fucking retarded. I don't even think people call gay people "gays" anymore. Lesbians and Homo's thats all I ever hear.
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sidewaydriver
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People who are intolerant to intolerance are hypocrites.
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anorexorcist
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| People who are intolerant to intolerance are hypocrites. |
Everybody is a hypocrite at some point or another.
You are either intolerant of differenct lifestyles, intolerant of intolerance or you just don't care about anything at all.
Gay means something is stupid now, not someone who is attracted to people of the same gender. If gay was turned into a derogatory term for homosexuals, then why the hell do you want to hold onto that title, instead of going with the politically correct "homosexual"?
It's kind of like if black people decided they wanted to be known as the "nigger community". A term that was made derogatory for a specific type of people and then all of a sudden they want to keep it = bullshit.
Now, if gay was never changed to demean homosexuals, then they stole a word that meant "happy" and made it refer to them. Now we want the word to mean stupid and they want to keep it as a word for themselves that is in no way negative? Well to bad, you changed the word from it's original meaning, now the majority has decided it should mean something else.
Happy used gay as an alternative meaning, then homosexuals took it so they would have an alternative word for their lifestyle, well now we want it as an alternative for something that is stupid. The word "gay" is a journeyman and homosxuals should not be so selfish as to hold it back from it's travels.
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TheRoboSleuth
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I love precision in the spoken word, so I don't use gay as a shorthand for stupid. Thats what stupid or its bounty of synonyms are for. Stop being lazy, learn to indulge in your language instead of falling back on old standbys.
That being said, I understand that the gay community might like Wanda Sykes, but she is terminally unfunny, not particularly photogenic, and known by those who do happen to know who she is to be a liberal harpy. The homosexual community has a veritable army of sympathetic liberals in the entertainment industry in addition to its own ranks. Couldn't they do better?
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Greg the White
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No, you don't mean it as stupid. Gay has never meant stupid. By your logic, it still means that being gay is stupid. You mean to denigrate it by calling it homosexual. Deal with your stupid pigheadedness or just find another word.
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Cameron
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Douche McCallister
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| No, you don't mean it as stupid. Gay has never meant stupid. By your logic, it still means that being gay is stupid. You mean to denigrate it by calling it homosexual. Deal with your stupid pigheadedness or just find another word. |
But in the same token you can't call someone who is happy "gay" because it's considered to mean homosexual. So in the same manner we would be denigrating happy people. Maybe the Homosexual community should get another word or come up with their own...
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Shut up, Dorn
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Hillary Duff is gay? Spank. Bank.
I understand both sides of the argument, and I am going to side with the people who say "gay", because they have a right to free speech, regardless of whether it offends people or not. There is a line of political correctness, but it wont ever get in the way of me saying what I want to say.
wait, Hillary Duff is gay? Saweet.
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Optimist With Doubts
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So by the same logic that we don't want to stop people by saying because of freedom of speech does that mean it's fine to refer to haggling prices as "jewing it down"?
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Douche McCallister
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There is a distinct difference between racial SLURS and lifestyle slang.
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Lottel
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Optimist With Doubts
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| Douche McCallister wrote: |
| There is a distinct difference between racial SLURS and lifestyle slang. |
Yes very true but the case that seems to be made in this thread is that we can say what we want because of freedom of speech. That includes slang and slurs. Yes it doesn't seem as serious but if we allow people to say what they want regardless of whether or not it's a lifestyle then where does it end. I mean if you were to ask a bunch of people about what they thought gay meant a good majority if not all would say it meant homosexual. And since it is such a commonly associated term it's easy to see how using it to mean something negative would offend people. Yeah I agree that they could have chosen a better spokesperson but the message is clear, if you say something that offends somebody don't say that thing.
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Ermac
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Douche McCallister
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My case is that you can't take a word that originally meant something and then make it mean something else and then get offended that that same word is then used to mean something else. How a group of people of all races can get offended because a word they took and changed was then taken and changed again is being an ultimate hypocrite.
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Optimist With Doubts
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| My case is that you can't take a word that originally meant something and then make it mean something else and then get offended that that same word is then used to mean something else. How a group of people of all races can get offended because a word they took and changed was then taken and changed again is being an ultimate hypocrite. |
Ok fine, well what if people start to use the word black to mean something bad. I mean black people use that word to represent themselves.
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Douche McCallister
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That falls into racial in my book. Just like if something was considered "White", no one says SHIT when you call someone a nerd, dork, meat head...etc. Granted those words were made up to describe those people, but gay wasn't invented for homosexuals.
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Optimist With Doubts
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Well I think your argument is centered whether or not people are born gay or if it's just a lifestyle that they choose, they aren't gay they are only being gay at this moment and since it's a choice they can't be offended. And whatever I don't want to have that debate. My point is regardless of whether it's a choice or they are born that way if it's a choice.
I'll give another example. It's a fair bet to say people on this forum like to play video games and many people who play games call themselves "gamers". Now let's say someone goes crazy and shoots up a school and he just happened to play games. And on the news the term gamer comes up and they use it to explain the craziness, and then soon enough gamer starts being used interchangeably with people acting crazy. Like if a guy runs headfirst it a car and people say "haha he must of thought he was playing GTA stupid gamer" So do you have the right to be offended because they are taking a term you associate yourself with or can you not be offended because you chose to call yourself that title?
Now I know you might say that it's not the same as gamer didn't mean anything before it was an accepted term but I don't think that's the case because gay is widely accepted as a name for homosexuals. Now if some gay guy just decided to call gay people woodpeckers he doesn't have the right to get mad if woodpecker is used in a negative light because it's not really a widely accepted term and no one but he uses it to mean gay people.
I'm not saying people should feel horrible for saying stuff is gay when they mean lame or dumb. All I'm saying is that some gay people find it offensive to do so and I agree that they have a reason for it.
Now damn it people talk about the golden globes!
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Ermac
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every offensive word should now be exchanged to "white", case closed. Time for us to be the butt of the joke for a while.
thats so white
that dude is whiting it up in here
you whited my game up you shithead
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GPFontaine
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| I'm not saying people should feel horrible for saying stuff is gay when they mean lame or dumb. All I'm saying is that some gay people find it offensive to do so and I agree that they have a reason for it. |
Well said.
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Greg the White
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| That falls into racial in my book. Just like if something was considered "White", no one says SHIT when you call someone a nerd, dork, meat head...etc. Granted those words were made up to describe those people, but gay wasn't invented for homosexuals. |
It wasn't invented, but it became synonymous with both homosexuals and good mood, because homosexuals were viewed as flamboyant, so they used the term to denigrate them. Think about the origins of how it means "stupid" to you. Did someone mean to say "oh he looks happy" and someone misheard the term as homosexual, so anything happy is now "gay?" No, it's because some little shit looked at something, decided to make himself into a pigheaded prick, and "insult" its masculinity by calling it a derogatory term for a homosexual person. By calling something gay, and making the case for it evolving into stupid is basically calling homosexuality stupid, and furthers an opressed people's position farther from society.
Freedom of speech is there, yes, but think about the impact of your words. Every time a PC-baiting comedian is onstage saying some racist jokes for shock laughs, he's catering to the ignorance of his bigoted viewers. Those viewers will then re-tell the race jokes with no hint of irony, until it is stripped of its good intentions and humor as just a nasty way to make fun of a group of people, inspiring a group of people growing bigger and bigger to become even more ignorant and drag our society into the gutter.
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