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B.B.King
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PostPosted: Oct 28 2005 10:31 pm Reply with quote Back to top

*last fucking warning!*







HOLY,fucking,shit.
Not often does a sequal live up to the original,but fuck did this ever. I won't give away too much of the movie here,just point out things that perticularily caught my intrest.

First,the situation. like in the first, Everybody in the House has something in common. Each has been to prison,And each has been a victim of Fraudulent imprisonment in said prison,thanks to a crooked cop who planted evidence to put them away. Including amanda. thats how her drug problem started,she was arrested for drug possesion long before she even tried drugs. the cop who put all of these people away happens to be the father of the youngest person in the house,but they don't find that out untill much later in the movie.

The Murder devices Are all VERY clever. from the simplest of a Rigged Gun through a peep hole,to a Face mask lined with rusty nails.

Next,FINALLY we get to see how John (jigsaw) thinks and acts. they tell about his past,and about his motives. he also gets beat into sheer bloodyness by the cop who fasley imprisoned all of the victims.

The twists. OH the twists. just like the first one,they creep up on every corner. we finally find out why amanda is so Damn important to Jigsaw.Sadly,No mention of the good doctor,But we do get to see his severed foot,as well as Mr.Stalker and Kip (as Amanda and the cops son run to that room at the end of the movie,its in the same house in the basement at the end of a long tunnel.)

The movie was a tad predictable in a sense. the first thing i noticed Was how about an hour in,everybody still alive except amanda was coughing blood from the nerve toxin. The clue at the beggining (which was "the combanation to the safe is in the back of your minds. the order of the numbers will be revealed Over the rainbow") was somewhat confusing to me,but once i figured it out i reilized how fucking clever this movie was.

Im kind of rambling. Anyways,Even though the Ending was the exact Same for one person ("game over" *the bathroom door shuts) it was still very fufilling to me,and it left it open for more movies.

*OK,THIS IS THE PART WHERE IF YOU WANT TO SEE THIS MOVIE AND DONT WANT TO KNOW THE ENDING,STOP HERE! IM GOING TO TALK ABOUT KEY POINTS OF THE MOVIE*

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Ok,So amanda turns out to be Jigsaws protoge'. I half expected this when i noticed she wasnt coughing up blood,and then again when they figured out the first clue. The Rainbow clue was quite ingeneous,there was a number on the back of Everybodys Neck,each a different color corresponding to a color of the rainbow,which was meant to be put into ROYGBIV order. (red orange yellow green blue indigo violet.) thing that i noticed was that there were 8 people in the house,and they showed numorus shots of amandas bare neck (as her hair is short now) with no number imprinted on the back. The other BIG twist which was very surprising had to do with the actuall broadcast. The police discover jigsaws location,and actually capture and hold him there,where they discover new monitors showing the house. the whole time,Jigsaw Taunts the Rouge cop while the cops try and trace the feed. the roage cop finally loses it about his son,and starts beating the SHIT out of jigsaw untill he agrees to take him,and ONLY him to the house. when they get there,he leaves jigsaw in the van and goes in by himself,all the while the police have finally traced the video feed. so the Rouge cop searches the house and finds all the bodys,and goes Downstairs into the bathroom area,where he finds only a stab From a masked murderer hiding in the tub. at the same time,the cops show up at the house,and mysteriously,the cops back at jigsaws new hideout cannot see them on the monitors. they finally make it to a room with More monitors in it,and pull a red Sheed off of 2 dvd players to reilize that the Feed is Not live,and the bodys have been dead for hours. the cop wakes up,Chained to the wall in the bathroom. he finds HIS tape and puts it into the recorder,not to hear jigsaws voice,but amandas voice (she was the masked one who stabbed him) telling him about how if a killer leaves a legacy,they are immortal and how he was her first test subject. then she shows up at the door,says "game over" and locks it shut. then it flashes back to jigsaws hideout,where it reveals the Safe that was in the house was Already at his hideout,so it had to have happend hours ago. they unlock the safe,to find the rouge cops son inside,breathing from an oxygen tank,alive right there behind where jigsaw was sitting the entire time.

So incredibly well written,and alot of it blew me away as the first one did. this will be a MUST BUY DVD for me the day it comes out.

my rating? 9.5 outof 10. a bit predictable,but still an incredible movie.


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PostPosted: Oct 29 2005 10:55 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah, big thumbs up for this one. I don't know if I'd put it ahead of the first "Saw" (elements of it felt to me like somewhat of a "Cube" movie), but I definitely dug it. Props to Donny Wahlberg (I NEVER thought I'd say that) for turning in a really good performance in a movie that many people would have just sleepwalked through.

I have to say, to me the most painful part to watch was either Amanda doing the "Needle in a haystack" search or the drug dealer dude cutting his own lump of flesh out to get his number. The opening kill with the cranial iron maiden was so-so. Felt a little bit redundant after the original movie's bear-trap setpiece, but still cool.

I really, really liked how they let Jigsaw tell his story, as it were. While I don't necessarily think he went about things the right way (torture and whatnot...) I came away from it with some sense of understanding. In a twisted way, his logic made sense.

Also, even though the Amanda revelation was supposed to be the big "holy shit" moment, I was more taken aback by the sudden revelation of the bathroom from the first movie. That made me giddy. The MINUTE the lights went oh I was just like "Wow.. fuck...".

Okay, yeah. Good flick. Greeneyedzeke says, "Check it out".
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PostPosted: Oct 30 2005 12:10 am Reply with quote Back to top

I saw it tonight and I loved it, but I do have one question. I haven't seen the original Saw since it came out, but I definitely marked out bigtime when they returned to the room from the original. But my question is this: Who was the second body in the room? One of them was obviously Adam, was the second one Zep?Or was it Dr. Gordon? I don't remember anyone else dying in the room besides Adam, Dr. Gordon specifically made it out of the room, and the implication was that it hadn't been opened since Jigsaw left Adam to die in the first one.
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PostPosted: Oct 30 2005 02:46 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
I saw it tonight and I loved it, but I do have one question. I haven't seen the original Saw since it came out, but I definitely marked out bigtime when they returned to the room from the original. But my question is this: Who was the second body in the room? One of them was obviously Adam, was the second one Zep?Or was it Dr. Gordon? I don't remember anyone else dying in the room besides Adam, Dr. Gordon specifically made it out of the room, and the implication was that it hadn't been opened since Jigsaw left Adam to die in the first one.


I imagine it had to be Zep. Adam beat the shit out of him with a toilet tank lid before Dr. Gordon left in the first one, so I think the two bodies were Adam and Zep (along with Dr. Gordon's foot).

I agree, great movie, although a little more predictable from the first.
Awesome rainbow puzzle though, I didn't pick up on it at all.


Thou, because I am wroth, be not dismayed, for I shall win the strife, whoever circle round within for the defence. This their insolence is not new, for of old they used it at a less secret gate, which still is found without a bolt. Above it thou didst see the dead inscription; and already on this side of it
descends the steep, passing without escort through the circles,
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PostPosted: Oct 30 2005 03:37 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Kubo wrote:


I imagine it had to be Zep. Adam beat the shit out of him with a toilet tank lid before Dr. Gordon left in the first one, so I think the two bodies were Adam and Zep (along with Dr. Gordon's foot).


Ah, thanks. I was pretty sure it was Zep, but as I said, I haven't watched it since opening back in 2004.
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PostPosted: Oct 30 2005 04:23 pm Reply with quote Back to top

i was thourogly disapointed with the lack of explanation of dr.gordans whereabouts. did he make it out alive? did he bleed to death? did green bears rape and pillage his body?
I MUST KNOW!


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PostPosted: Oct 30 2005 05:05 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Things didn't look good for the doctor, but the fact that they didn't explicitly show his body slumped over in the hallway means that he could be alive.

Of course, if he *is* alive, why were Adam and Zep's bodies still in The Room? One would think that Dr. Gordon would have alerted the authorities as to its whereabouts. Of course, maybe Dr. Gordon didn't feel like explaining the entire bizarre situation to the cops. Since he had been a suspect in the Jigsaw murders, this isn't implausible. Or maybe it was part of some deal he reached with John, who almost certainly would have passed him the hallway.

Even if he is alive, it's fairly unlikely that we'll see him in the franchise again. Dr. Gordon already had his test. But at the same time, Nancy Thompson's Law tells us that past protagonists who were generally assumed to be dead can reappear without any explanation whatsoever.
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PostPosted: Oct 31 2005 10:17 pm Reply with quote Back to top

im gonna go with the Dr.gordan is fucking dead theory. you can see that he is moving quite slow,and in saw 2 you see just how long that hallway really is,and how it twists and turns,then he would have to go up the Stairs,push open the hatch,crawl out,open the door (assuming that at this point,jigsaw wasnt already setting up the house for saw 2),crawl out and through the hallways,and then find an exit that wasnt baricaded. by then he would have lost too much blood from an unsealed wound.


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PostPosted: Oct 31 2005 10:31 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Yeah it doesn't look good for Dr. Gordon, but Dr. Loomis got BLOWN UP in Halloween 2 but somehow came back for three more sequels.
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PostPosted: Oct 31 2005 10:32 pm Reply with quote Back to top

yeah but Saw is plausable. halloween just doesnt make any sense,just like the scream series.


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PostPosted: Apr 23 2006 01:25 am Reply with quote Back to top

Sorry for reviving a dead topic, but I finally saw the film.

I loved it!!! Man alive... What an exciting thriller. Hell, it's not really a horror film, but it still managed to be scarier and more creative than "Silent Hill".

When I heard that there was a new writer and director, I thought they couldn't make a loyal sequel. I was dead wrong. Saw II is how you make a sequel. You expand the mythology.

I was a big enough nerd to read the Saw Rebirth prequel comic which told the story of how Jigsaw became Jigsaw... But Saw II follows that story and ADDS to it with Jigsaw's escape from suicide. That explanation was the key to his whole character. I never realized how much I missed it until I saw it on screen.

And what a cast! My favorite Wahlberg, Peter Kingsley from 24, and Barbara Gordon all hang out for a better half of the film. Me= Muy Happy Very Happy

So... Saw III is listed to come out later this year. Can they do it again?

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As for Cary Elwes' character, listening to a few moments on the commentary, they revealed that his body was not in the hallway, which seems to suggest that he survived. Where is he now? Hmmmm...

Would Jigsaw rescue him as he was walking away at the end of the first film? I always thought so. After seeing Saw II, we do see the nice side of Jigsaw, so it is possible that Jigsaw helped save the doctor's life.


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PostPosted: Apr 24 2006 09:43 am Reply with quote Back to top

What I find particularly interesting is that the script was originally intended as an unrelated film. Only later was it converted to a Saw sequel.

And yet, I agree -- it's even better than the original.
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PostPosted: Apr 24 2006 07:10 pm Reply with quote Back to top

DarkMaze wrote:
What I find particularly interesting is that the script was originally intended as an unrelated film. Only later was it converted to a Saw sequel.

And yet, I agree -- it's even better than the original.


Really? Kinda like "Die Hard With A Vengeance", eh?


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PostPosted: Apr 24 2006 07:22 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Tebor wrote:
Really? Kinda like "Die Hard With A Vengeance", eh?

Or Return of the Living Dead, Part II.
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PostPosted: Apr 25 2006 10:06 am Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
Tebor wrote:
Really? Kinda like "Die Hard With A Vengeance", eh?

Or Return of the Living Dead, Part II.


What was RotLD II supposed to be, then? I didn't think any of those had much connection to the others. But then, I've barely seen any of 'em.

As for Die Hard With a Vengeance, not only was the story originally not supposed to be a Die Hard movie, but John McTiernan even directs it like it's a whole other franchise, which gives it a really odd feel. Still good, though.
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PostPosted: Apr 25 2006 12:25 pm Reply with quote Back to top

It was just written as a zombie movie and the studio that bought the script made it a part of the Return of the Living Dead franchise. Obviously some of the in-jokes, such as James Karen & Thom Matthews playing the same characters with different names were added in later.
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