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Posted: May 08 2009 01:49 am

The original cut of "Light My Fire" is too long for its own good. All that got cut out of the 3 minute radio version was unnecessary keyboard vamping.

Posted: May 08 2009 03:23 am

On that note, the fact that the local (Vancouver) radio station plays the radio edit of 'Sweet Child O' Mine', but plays the album versions of 'Paradise City' and 'November Rain', both of which are longer than 'Child'. I'm sure many of you understand why this case specifically pisses me off.

Posted: May 08 2009 09:04 am

That's bullshit. I have never heard a radio station play the radio edits of any GN'R songs, that I can recall. The only reason I've ever heard the "November Rain" radio edit is because I have the CD single. Heck, until the whole Janet Jackson incident caused a crackdown on radio and TV, Boston rock station WAAF used to play The Who's "Who Are You", Guns N' Roses' "Mr. Brownstone", and Pink Floyd's "Money" uncensored. I guess they figured that if you weren't listening for the swears, you wouldn't hear them. But the "motherfucker" in "Mr. Brownstone" is pretty blatant.

Title: Hugh Joined: Sep 23 2007 Posts: 1591

Yeah, I've heard Eddie Vedder swear a few times on the radio. I guess he just mumbles enough he can slip in a fuck or two. And yeah, I'm of the belief that if they don't want to play the whole song, they shouldn't play the fucking song. I was extremely irritated the other day listening to the radio when November Rain was on and they cut out the entire "Don't you think that you need somebody" bit, like, fuck!

Posted: May 08 2009 01:27 pm

Hey Syd that reminds me when Kid Rock was on Raw back in 2000 and he said "Fuck" on live TV during one of his songs.

He says "Fuck" at the 3:29 mark.

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SoldierHawk wrote:

Songs that are awesome, but then go on for too damn long. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with the occasional "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" or "Achilles: Agony and Ecstasy," but those are unique cases where the story demanded a longer song, and the style and sound is mixed up so its not repetitive. I hate eight or nine minute songs that could easily be trimmed to five. I love you, but I'm looking to you Metallica.

I can see where your coming from Hawk. My favorite BOC album Imaginos has many great songs but they are all plagued by pointless extend endings.

EDIT: after reading the above comments i have to agree, why censor music? I can understand a lot of the FCC's anal hangups but the swearing is part of the song and should be left along. Now when it comes to bands like the Who and Gun n Roses, their more popular songs only have a few swears that can be shrugged off. Now rap artist like Fiddy just over do it.

Posted: May 08 2009 08:29 pm

Dave Mustaine fanboys who say that Metallica is crap, despite the fact that they obviously are appreciated by the Metal fanbase and most likely to be a BIG influence to next-generation bands.

Mainstream Rap being about the same things.(Money, Violence, and Female Ass)

People who say Grunge brought forth emo music, I think these people take Cobain's suicide/depression too much into account.

Posted: May 09 2009 04:14 am

SoldierHawk wrote:

Songs that are awesome, but then go on for too damn long. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with the occasional "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" or "Achilles: Agony and Ecstasy," but those are unique cases where the story demanded a longer song, and the style and sound is mixed up so its not repetitive. I hate eight or nine minute songs that could easily be trimmed to five. I love you, but I'm looking to you Metallica.

Don't forget Opeth!

Joined: Apr 09 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3112

People who insist emo exists

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SoldierHawk wrote:

Songs that are awesome, but then go on for too damn long. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with the occasional "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" or "Achilles: Agony and Ecstasy,"

If you like a song that has a fucking cymbal solo, you have no authority to delcare what's "too long" and what isn't. Very Happy

That being said, it would be nice if Metallica dropped the fucking "...and Justice For All" shit with making every song over 5 minutes long. Not to mention the fact that Justice was 65 minutes long (which is too long to begin with), but on every release nowadays they practically stretch the boundaries of the CD. I can't help but feel that Load wouldn't be as hated if it was 40 minutes instead of 78.

Wizard Joined: Jun 12 2009 Posts: 4209

Music that can make your eardrums stop working from the first note. >_>

Posted: Jun 13 2009 01:22 am

Grindcore: Are they fucking serious?

[ Not a metal hater, alot of Metal music out there I consider true forms of Art. ]

Also people won't give jazz a chance.

Joined: Apr 09 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3112

SpraCoalee wrote:

Grindcore: Are they fucking serious?

[ Not a metal hater, alot of Metal music out there I consider true forms of Art. ]

Also people won't give jazz a chance.

Grindcore is ass. It's just guys wailing on their guitars without any sort of tempo or coherence, while some over-roided turd screams about killing babies and screaming the n-word.

I think what most people don't give a chance is free-form jazz. I'm not talking about the classic, 1920's-style stuff, I mean the stuff that just sounds like a saxophone player smashing his keys as fast as possible. It sounds awful to me.

Okay, more from my list:

-PC baiting. Grow some talent instead of trying to make people gasp to gain notoriety. Grindcore guys do this a lot (yet another reason to hate the genre, I saw an opening grindcore band one time where the singer just screamed "NIGGER" for the first ten minutes).

-Over-doing "re-masters." I bought Operation Ivy's Energy re-master not so long ago, and it sounds like crap, because all they did was remove the fuzz so that every song is just an ear-aching blast of treble. Some types of music, and poorly-recorded music are better without the re-master.

-Aging punk writers who whine that "punk is dead" because you can't be bothered to learn about new bands instead of just clinging to your old Black Flag albums.
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You sir, Mr. White are my hero.

Releasing "Energy" again with the tinkering really made it sound damp, like the drums sounded like wet cardboard. Just awful.

Not just punk writers, but older singer's and band members of older punk bands are sounding whinier and lamer as they age, and it sucks. Henry Rollins, Greg Graffin, and Jello Biafra have always stayed sharp, though.

Posted: Jun 14 2009 11:24 am

Greg the White wrote:

SpraCoalee wrote:

Grindcore: Are they fucking serious?

[ Not a metal hater, alot of Metal music out there I consider true forms of Art. ]

Also people won't give jazz a chance.

Grindcore is ass. It's just guys wailing on their guitars without any sort of tempo or coherence, while some over-roided turd screams about killing babies and screaming the n-word.

What grind bands have you heard? I generally agree with you that recent grindcore isn't that good, but the early bands are somewhat enjoyable, like Repulsion:

As for the n-word, my impression of grind was that it was, if anything, very PC due to the punk roots of the genre. Of course, there's always Anal Cunt, but they're not too good of an example of "real" grindcore.

Posted: Jun 14 2009 01:01 pm

What Enshin said, check out some early Napalm Death if you get the chance, I'd recommend Fear Emptiness Despair.

Posted: Jun 14 2009 06:44 pm

I have an important announcement.
*ahem*

McFly is the worst band ever. EVER.

Posted: Jun 15 2009 01:50 am

Getting excited to get the Killers' third album, then soon discovering that everything outside of four songs sucks.

Posted: Jun 15 2009 02:45 am

Cameron wrote:

Getting excited to get the Killers' third album, then soon discovering that everything sucks.

Fixed.

Posted: Jun 15 2009 03:06 am

LowEndLem wrote:

Cameron wrote:

Getting excited to get the Killers' third album, then soon discovering that everything sucks.

Fixed.

Hey, "Spaceman", "Human", "Goodnight, Travel Well" and "Losing Touch" are good, but yeah, everything else sounds like a complete copy of Maroon 5, and I hate Maroon 5.

Posted: Jun 15 2009 02:42 pm

The majority of hip hop skits. They certainly have their purpose on concept albums like 3 Feet High and Rising or The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill. And some of them can be genuinely funny or otherwise contribute to the overall feeling of an album. But most of them are nothing but blatant filler, with things like random answering machine messages or stoned-out conversations about weed replacing actual music that the artist was too lazy to write.

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enshinkarateman wrote:

As for the n-word, my impression of grind was that it was, if anything, very PC due to the punk roots of the genre. Of course, there's always Anal Cunt, but they're not too good of an example of "real" grindcore.

Most of the ones I've heard mostly just try to sound like they're not even saying anything when they scream, so it seems like they figure that "I'm gonna scream 'NIGGER GOOK TWAT I KILL BABIES!' in a gruff, barely discernable fashion because it's funny and stuff." It's annoying and juvenile, and doesn't help any argument that you may want your genre taken seriously.

One against me: I always hate it when I have to break my "only buy the whole CD, screw iTunes," rule because of bands out there who I mostly dislike, but have one or two songs that I love. I'd go buy the album, but I'm not going to buy from Against Me when the only song I like by them is "Pints of Guinness Make You Strong."

Posted: Jun 15 2009 04:28 pm

It's just totally uncalled for, as for free speech? I doubt they give a shit about that or their band. They say shit like that just to get attention because they don't get it from anyone else.

It's all about getting a reaction and to "shock" people.

Posted: Jun 15 2009 04:29 pm

Tyop wrote:

The majority of hip hop skits. They certainly have their purpose on concept albums like 3 Feet High and Rising or The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill. And some of them can be genuinely funny or otherwise contribute to the overall feeling of an album. But most of them are nothing but blatant filler, with things like random answering machine messages or stoned-out conversations about weed replacing actual music that the artist was too lazy to write.

QFT.

Posted: Jun 15 2009 05:46 pm

Greg the White wrote:

but I'm not going to buy from Against Me when the only song I like by them is "Pints of Guinness Make You Strong."

But the critics loved that album!

I prefer New Wave.