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Marijuana. Just legalize it FFS...


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PostPosted: Jan 31 2015 08:40 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I mean I am no pot head and haven't smoked weed for over a decade but come on, just legalize the shit.

Living in California I could get myself a card but won't. I suffer from anxiety and insomnia like pretty severally and this would likely help me quite a bit. I sleep maybe three hours a night and basically it sucks hard and contributes to my anxiety. Some days I feel like I am living in the movie Fight Club. Also due to the fact that it is not legal at a federal level this as not an option for me because of my job. I would lose my security clearances and would be fired immediately.

I have a friend that suffers from the same issues I do and it works for him and he literally has an endless supply of some high quality shit and he has offered pounds of it to me for free (all legally in CA laws for the record in his circumstances). He basically smokes pot all day at work and makes nearly six figures as an artist and and doing tattoos. Not all pot heads are lazy ass losers...

I have been to so many doctors over the last year and have been on so many drugs that have not worked and it has cost me thousands of dollars. All of these drugs have far more dangerous side effects than weed.

I mean really, who gets high and beats up there girlfriend or kills somebody in a car crash in a blackout like with what is in my opinion the worst legal drug on the planet, alcohol. Only thing that happens when you get faded is relief from anxiety/pain/insomnia with zero side effects.

Last year it was nearly legalized in the state of CA for recreational use but unfortunately this did not happen for several reasons. Fact is a lot of people would lose money if that happened. Farmers who illegally grow it would lose their farms if legalized, Citibank did everything they could to stop the law from passing due to the amount of drug money they profit from. The worst offender is HSBC; this bank is straight up criminal, they literally specialize in laundering money for the Sinaloa Carter, Afghani heroine traffickers and fund terrorism.

If you don't believe me: http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21568403-two-big-british-banks-reach-controversial-settlements-too-big-jail

I really don't want to get into politics, especially on the Internet. However, I just read an article that prompted me to make this post.

http://www.bustle.com/articles/61681-rand-paul-calls-out-jeb-bushs-marijuana-hypocrisy-and-hes-not-wrong

Respect to Rand Paul and please not another bush in the White House. Why the fuck are people spending decades in jail for this sort of shit. With the U.S. Having the highest per capita prison population by large a margin changes have got to be made.

People do not resort to criminal activity trying to fund their habit with weed as with meth, opiates, ect. People that commit robbery, murder someone for a drug habit or killing someone driving drunk deserve to go to prison; people that get pulled over and searched by some shit head cop who finds some pot do not deserve decades in jail. Just pisses me off.

Also, sorry for the rant lol...
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PostPosted: Feb 01 2015 12:27 am Reply with quote Back to top

Living in Washington where Pot is legal (Colorado & Washington were the 1st two states to legalize it,) I can tell you, absolutely nothing is different. Crime has not skyrocketed, people have not gone crazy, all is well. There are two shops in my town, and they are well run, very knowledgeable in their products, and seems to be just fine.

And, I agree, that alcohol is far more dangerous than weed will ever be. I know a few pot heads, and I would rather be around them far more than a raging alcoholic. The latter are unpredictable and possible violent. Potheads are harmless to others, and usually pretty entertaining.
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PostPosted: Feb 01 2015 03:41 am Reply with quote Back to top

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I've been drug-free all my life and even I support legalizing marijuana. There's just no sense making criminals out of people who turn to a plant that's less harmful than something that's already legal.

Washington and Colorado may be the only two states, but I think it's a start and hopefully other states will follow in the future. Just a decade or two ago, I bet nobody even dreamed it would be possible for any state to legalize it.

In any case, I can sorta relate to what you're going through as I have some anxiety and insomnia issues myself. Best of luck to you.
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PostPosted: Feb 01 2015 02:54 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I live in Colorado. I was pretty against marijuana for most of my life up till a couple years ago. I never dreamed something like this would happen and it's benefitted me immensely. Weed helps my ADHD, is much better than alcohol IMO, and has helped me grow as a person.

Personally, I found myself a job at a medical marijuana facility, working as a grow hand. I started with zero experience a year ago and have learned so much and met so many cool people. It's decent pay and I love every minute of my job.

I would say the impact of legalization is much more prominent here in Colorado. I live in a city where medical use only has been legalized, and you see shops on every 3rd or 4th street. It's even crazier in Denver county, where recreational is legal. It's pumped a lot of jobs into our economy here, to say the least.
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PostPosted: Feb 01 2015 08:32 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Apart from a natural predilection for the stuff, it's the only thing that keeps my wife from having cyclical vomiting; the last time she was off of it for a decent period of time, which was for a month or so, she shed 50 pounds and ended up in the hospital. The vote for medical went awry because of a stupid law in FL that ignores simple majority and mandates 60% or more for a proposition to pass; we had 58.8%. Dumb old fuckers here.


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PostPosted: Feb 01 2015 08:37 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Crazy_Bastard wrote:
I live in Colorado. I was pretty against marijuana for most of my life up till a couple years ago. I never dreamed something like this would happen and it's benefitted me immensely. Weed helps my ADHD, is much better than alcohol IMO, and has helped me grow as a person.

Personally, I found myself a job at a medical marijuana facility, working as a grow hand. I started with zero experience a year ago and have learned so much and met so many cool people. It's decent pay and I love every minute of my job.

I would say the impact of legalization is much more prominent here in Colorado. I live in a city where medical use only has been legalized, and you see shops on every 3rd or 4th street. It's even crazier in Denver county, where recreational is legal. It's pumped a lot of jobs into our economy here, to say the least.


Yeah on top of the anxiety and insomnia I have something called "Hyperfocus ADHD". Also I believe I might have mentioned it in another thread I have struggled with alchohol. I went to an addiction/alchohol specialist for some help with this issue (and eberassingly to say rehab twice). Fact is I have a supernaturally high metabolism for both medications and alchohol. Especially alchohol, going though gallons of the shit daily and would go to work in the morning with no hangover and absolutely nobody noticed at all ever.

They tell you you are stupid if you think you can hide this amount of alcohol abuse from people. Well, in my case I can pull this off. Even the doctor I went into that specializes in this shit was totally baffled when I informed her half way through our first session that I was drunk. She tested me and blew a .21 then gave me an EGT test which basically measures your tolerance level. A normal problem drinker would test between 600-700 on an EGT, I tested over 2000, and by over 2000 that means off the charts tolerance wise. I am by no means trying to brag, it was hell and fucking trust me detoxing off that amount of vodka is miserable and can quite easily kill you via seizures. It is quite amazing to me that health wise I am AOK.

Fact is though the entire reason I drank was not to get drunk but to self medicate my anxiety and insomnia. I figured it was best to get an actual proffesional to help medicate me instead of slowly kill myself otherwise. In doing so I have been prescribed dozen of drugs over the last year. I can take a high dose benzodiazepine like Valium or Xanax and it doesn't even faze me. Supposedly this stuff is addictive as shit and I just don't get it, it does nothing for me with anxiety. Also the stupid fucking doctor that uped me to a high dose on Xanax was informed about me being an alchoholic and still handed them to me like candy. That is extremially dangerous and well, just fuck him (Kaiser phyc in general), he gave it to me for my anxiety and if a normal person pops a Xanax and drinks even a small amount of alcohol you die. They use benzodiazepines to detox people off alchohol as it is a GABA inhibiter (as is vodka lol) as lack of GABA in the brian leads to said seizures and death in detox. You however NEVER give a benzo of any kind to someone that was drinking as much as I was. I had fucking 15 minute session with this doctor; do you really think that is an acceptable amount of time to diagnose a patient? Fuck you Kaiser and thank god I'm not dead.

I ended up going off my insurance to a private physiatrist who prescribed me about 12 different drugs. Wellbutrin, Prozac, Seriquil, Resteral, cymbatal ect. They do nothing to me. I take a Seriquil (prescribed for sleep) and it does nothing for me. Usually a 100 mg dose would knock a normal person out within an hour, I was at the max dose of 600 mg, still nothing...

It's just frustrating. Thousands of dollars wasted on meds and they don't do shit. However, I am currently on adderall and Resteral and it seems to be working sort of. A normal person pops an adderall and they stay up for days. As I mentioned I have Hyperfocus ADHD, if I do not take this drug I will quite literally be up for 24+ hours in front of a computer coding myself into psychosis. Taking it helps with my anxiety and actually helps me sleep. This is not normal as it is basically meth in a pill. I don't know I really should sign up as a test subject at a medical facility just to troll them as I am apparently some sort of mutant.

Thankfully I have been sober from alchohol for quite some time now but my life still gets pretty complicated sometimes and I am thankful that I am surprising healthy and have not gotten into any trouble legally.

Reason I linked that Rand Paul article. When I was in my early twenties I quite literally should have incurred some legal issues to be honest. Some of the shit that I used to do back then is just baffling looking back. I was running with some real shady motherfuckers. My time in San Jose, Spain, Portugal, Eastern Europe and the UK was straight up nuts (and for the record quite fun). While living in San Jose I hung around with a group of Vietnamese gangsters and holy shit, it was "cray cray". We just did not give a fuck. I won't go into details but trust me, you don't want to fuck with these people. They will drill holes in your teeth and stick needles under your fingernails if you get on their bad side, or sometimes just for fun. Hanging around with them I am lucky to be still alive to be honest (especially as a white dude hanging with these guys being as xenophobic and paranoid as they are). Oh the stories I would tell if I wished lol.

Anyways, again sort of a tangent but hell you mentioned that pot helped with your ADHD. I can't help but wonder if that would work for me as well with all said above issues. However that is not an option for me so meh...

Also Hyperfocus ADHD is quite different from normal ADHD. Sometimes it can be a boon. Basically if you enjoy the task at hand hours will go by in what seems like minutes and you will get a lot of shit done at a preternatural speed. Still causes problems though...

I'm also stereoblind and dyslexic. The stereoblind actually helps you due to a lack of 3D perspective in recreating 2D representations in a 3D world. Dyslexia also has its boons there was a documentary on HBO recently about this subject. Life is strange but given all the shit I deal with I feel I've done quite well for myself so far.

http://www.healthline.com/health/adhd/benefits-of-adhd
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PostPosted: Feb 01 2015 11:35 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Jesus man, it's like you're Captain America during the recent years where he's having crippling health issues despite his inhuman chemical resistance.


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PostPosted: Feb 02 2015 01:23 am Reply with quote Back to top

I kind of have a love-hate relationship with marijuana. On one hand, psychology classes at school (particularly Biopsychology) have been particularly illuminating as to the medical benefits of marijuana, whether psychological (as with anxiety and ADHD, as CB said) or physical (with diseases like Huntington's and Parkinson's). On the other hand, I've never met anyone IRL who actively enjoyed marijuana and didn't have a colossally grating "LOL HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT? WEED XD" mentality about it. I absolutely think it should be legalized across the country, but I'm probably going to be less interested in leaving my house as a result.

I will say, however, that in regards to smoking it in public, I feel exactly the same towards it as I do people smoking cigarettes in public. Which is to say, people should totally allowed to do it whenever they want - in their own homes, but if you're doing it around me in public, I'm going to loudly scoff at you and give you the dirtiest look possible. Contrary to what everyone I've ever met who smokes weed repeatedly tells me, to anyone who doesn't smoke, it smells like shit. Even worse - if people start smoking it in restaurants, I will dump my food in their hair.

I also find it completely silly that marijuana is illegal yet alcohol is completely illegal; IMO, the latter is way more destructive in every conceivable way than the former.


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PostPosted: Feb 02 2015 02:03 am Reply with quote Back to top

Methid Man wrote:
Washington and Colorado may be the only two states, but I think it's a start and hopefully other states will follow in the future. Just a decade or two ago, I bet nobody even dreamed it would be possible for any state to legalize it.

Oregon & Alaska just passed bills that goes into effect later this year as well. There is also a federal bill that has been submitted but has yet be voted upon: "H.R. 2306 Ending Federal Marijuana Prohibition Act of 2011"

Yes, it was written almost 4 years ago, and has been sitting in Limbo. It wouldn't legalize rather, "Amends the Controlled Substances Act so that marijuana would no longer be considered a scheduled drug, allowing states to establish their own laws and regulations. All federal penalties for production, distribution and possession of the drug would be repealed. The only federal authority that would remain would be prevention of marijuana traveling over state borders in violation of the individual states' laws."
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PostPosted: Feb 02 2015 04:03 am Reply with quote Back to top

It really helps my wife with stress and anxiety, and with the related lack of sleep. It tends to help me with my chronic back pain and anxiety, but my brain doesn't talk well to it and I actually have bad trips (I think just because I get paranoid). I start to see colors, which form shapes, which seems oddly familiar to me, but I can't quite make out what the shapes are, and can't get rid of the nagging sense of familiarity. It scares the shit out of me, so I don't smoke. That's only when it actually gets me high though. Most times it doesn't work on me. One time though, I smoked two bowls, did a huge bong hit, ate a cookie and a half, and took a couple bites of a super brownie, and was still high the next afternoon. I definitely see the medical benefits though.

And I can blow wicked smoke rings


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PostPosted: Feb 02 2015 04:25 am Reply with quote Back to top

Knyte wrote:
Yes, it was written almost 4 years ago, and has been sitting in Limbo. It wouldn't legalize rather, "Amends the Controlled Substances Act so that marijuana would no longer be considered a scheduled drug, allowing states to establish their own laws and regulations. All federal penalties for production, distribution and possession of the drug would be repealed. The only federal authority that would remain would be prevention of marijuana traveling over state borders in violation of the individual states' laws."

Too bad NJ won't be legalizing it anytime soon, at least not while Gov. Christie is around. He's stated very bluntly that he'll never legalize it while he's in office.
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PostPosted: Feb 02 2015 01:04 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Cameron wrote:
On the other hand, I've never met anyone IRL who actively enjoyed marijuana and didn't have a colossally grating "LOL HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT? WEED XD" mentality about it.

Yeah, this happens with nearly any culture and it's why I am completely neutral on the stuff nowadays. I had my fun with it for well over a decade and I'm all for people doing what they want to their own bodies as long as it doesn't affect me, but seriously, shut the fuck up about it. And to be fair, I know tons of people who do smoke but you'd never know by just casually talking to them or even hanging out with them. They just do, and don't make it a focal point of their lives. These are the good ones.

It's like the loudest anime fans, or the loudest nerd culture fans, SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU MAKE ME CRINGE SO HARD.


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PostPosted: Feb 02 2015 02:33 pm Reply with quote Back to top

I've never smoked weed, nor done any other illegal drug. But I definitely think it should be legal and regulated, like alcohol and tobacco. Over-populating prisons for drug-related crimes is ridiculous and expensive, as is devoting so much of our law enforcement resources towards combating drugs. Would be nice to see some Americans profiting from the distribution of these substances as well, rather than foreign drug cartels or terrorist groups. Those drug cartels and terrorist groups should be American, damn it.


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I really don't see any compelling reason to legalize it. Oh, but it's all-natural. So's hemlock, what's your point? People are always like, "Well it's less dangerous than alcohol or other legal drugs."

So what? So make that stuff illegal too. You know why we have all these problems these days? Cuz our moms were all full of alcohol, nicotine, THC, and/or God knows what else when they were pregnant. And some of you are probably thinking, no way, marijuana can't possibly be bad during pregnancy. Well here's a story that the Huffingtonpost, a pretty liberal news outlet, saw fit to publish saying otherwise: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/27/marijuana-while-pregnant-affects-babies-brain_n_4674820.html

"Oh, but it makes me happy."

Yeah, well it's an artificial happiness. Also, who the fuck wants to be happy? If you're happy all the time, you're not really alive. Persistent misery is the innate human condition. If you're not miserable, how can you really be sure you're actually alive? You're not, you're just some Stepford Wife. Smoking pot is like beating Wolfenstein 3D on the "Can I Play, Daddy?" difficulty. I'd rather play on "I Am Death Incarnate" and lose over and over again. Because then if I somehow do prevail, at least it actually means something.
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PostPosted: Feb 02 2015 04:42 pm Reply with quote Back to top

That was adorable.

But yeah, I just don't have a problem with it unless you look like this guy:

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Then you are taking up way too much oxygen and should vacate the planet.


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JoshWoodzy wrote:
That was adorable.

But yeah, I just don't have a problem with it unless you look like this guy:

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Then you are taking up way too much oxygen and should vacate the planet.


I agree 100% with this. My sisters ex was a huge pot head. I remember going over to his house when she first met them for a party and he was/is that guy. He had the bong shrine with the bead curtain and each of the several pipes and bongs he owned all had "clever" names. He lived with four other pot heads in a three bedroom apartment. One of the guys that lived with him had a girlfriend that basically stayed there all the time rent free so technically five potheads. If any of you recall the vapid/giggley asian girl from the movie Knocked Up, that was her.

However, there will always be these types of douchbags wether pot is legal or not...

Syd Lexia wrote:
I really don't see any compelling reason to legalize it. Oh, but it's all-natural. So's hemlock, what's your point? People are always like, "Well it's less dangerous than alcohol or other legal drugs."

So what? So make that stuff illegal too. You know why we have all these problems these days? Cuz our moms were all full of alcohol, nicotine, THC, and/or God knows what else when they were pregnant.


Yeah, big surprise, it's not a good idea to smoke anything, drink or take prescription drugs when pregnant . But really? The solution to this problem is to make alchohol, 99% of perscription drugs and perhaps cigarettes illegal instead of legalizing weed? Like that's going to happen, and do you honestly think that all the worlds problems are due to what our mothers put into their body while pregnant?

I guess we're all just crack babies with fetal alchohol syndrome and the victims of whatever drugs that may have been taken during pregnancy and therefore everything sucks and we are all uncapable of happiness.

Okay...

Some bitch that smokes, does any sort of drug is stupid if pregnant. This is obvious.

I'm really not trying to argue here but I just don't see that logic. I completely understand that you and me hold different political views thus the reason that I don't want to get into politics on this site or anywhere else on the Internet but come on.
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Part of the reason marijuana is illegal to this day has to do with yellow journalism in the 1930's associating its use with "seedy" African American criminal/deviant types. Even then it wasn't really illegal until the Nixon administration, but that is only because applying for the necessary permits/licenses to sell it pretty much made you a target and a criminal, which was stupid and shows how much the government sucks at properly regulating stuff. The government still sucks at regulating stuff properly.

And to address Syd's post about marijuana affecting the fetus during pregnancy... well, pretty much anything a woman consumes while pregnant has an affect on the child they are carrying. I think that expecting mothers should all see doctors and follow strict diets during pregnancy to minimize risk to the unborn child. I also believe people should be forced to take parenting classes before their child is born or be forced to give it up for adoption. There are too many stupid parents and plenty of people who are deserving and responsible who are not able to have children of their own. Sorry, getting a bit off subject there...

Anyways, some of my friends who are VERY well off and successful in the financial, real estate and other sectors regularly consume marijuana recreationally. It's really not a loser thing to do, even though certain politicians would have you believe otherwise. If the average burned out pothead type smoked what these people have they would probably slip into a coma because it is some ridiculously strong shit.

I am sure we are all on some sort of drug anyways. We all have our caffeine or nicotine, alcohol or marijuana and it is all equally shit when you really look at it thoroughly. I'd rather the government regulate the food industry and force them to stop putting boatloads of sugar into every type of food imaginable.


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I am all for the egregious regulation of all foodstuffs and drugs.
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PostPosted: Feb 02 2015 06:30 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Weren't you completely against regulation of fast food? That makes fat and dumb people happy, so what's the difference to something that actually has benefits (as well as obvious risks just like anything in existence)?


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That was Haddox. Haddox is a giant troll.
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That's clear, but I'm pretty sure you were also against dumpy idiots like Spurlock and the like who spoke out against fast foods. That seems no different here, thinking people shouldn't do things because you don't get/enjoy it.


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PostPosted: Feb 02 2015 07:10 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Syd Lexia wrote:
I am all for the egregious regulation of all foodstuffs and drugs.


Better hope there's not a proviso in there about expired foods.


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OH NO MY LIVELIHOOD!
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LOL


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Syd Lexia wrote:
OH NO MY LIVELIHOOD!


DEVOLUTION!
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