SnesGuy wrote:

Yeah i enjoyed First Contact but i never saw any of the other TNG movies, apparently their are a mess and dumb.

Please go watch them for yourself before venturing an opinion based on other people's opinions. You sound like an idiot condemning something you've never even seen. People, please stop pulling opinions out of your asses if you've never actually seen the damn movies!

I like most of the Star Trek movies and I'm not biased in any way (I don't even know what that means as bias really only applies to people like the cast, crew, and families of the actors). I especially liked the TNG films which do look like big budget films and not "made for TV dreck" as another person who has never seen the movies purported.

I can't really comment on the original series movies because I'm not a big fan of TOS, but the TNG films are pretty good. I know it's popular and hip to say "derp, Generations and Insurrection were like LAME man cuz they didn't have no actions" but if you watch them as just entertaining movies instead of looking for an action film, they hold water and are far from unwatchable. Episode fucking I is unwatchable with the terrible acting, incoherent plot, and CGI for the sake of CGI. To even compare that to a film like Generations which is actually entertaining and doesn't make you roll your eyes every two seconds is retarded. Did we forget about the Ewoks already and the clever plot device of "Oops! Another Deathstar! What a twist!"

By my count that's 4 Star Wars films out of 6 that suck ass and are really unwatchable. None of the Star Trek films are "unwatchable" if you're a fan of the TV series. And by unwatchable, I mean you literally can't keep watching the movie without forcing yourself to and even then, you barely pay attention to it. If you're not a fan of Star Trek, then obviously you're not going to be a fan of the movies so have no right to say which is better empirically. I like Star Wars, but am not haunted by nostalgia for it so can plainly see what's good and what's godawful. They're kids movies for the most part.

The 2009 Star Trek was a trainwreck in my opinion. I didn't like it at all which I find interesting. It seems those who liked the sci-fi, pointless action fest with no ending hated the TNG films and those who like the films hated the new one. It was obviously made for the masses, and not those who appreciate the deeper themes they've come to expect from the Star Trek license. I found the action scenes to be mostly contrived (action for action's sake regardless of the plot), the ending was ridiculously lame and anticlimactic, and if the characters weren't named "Kirk" and "Spock", no one would care; it would have been just another lame Sci-Fi movie. To like the new Star Trek movie and hate Nemesis really blows my mind.

Btw, I don't see what's so unbelievable about Picard driving a dune buggy when they land on a desert planet. Would you rather he be in Luke's gay hovercraft? Is that more believable? Fucking weird thing to take umbridge with when you have no problem accepting basic bad film making in the 2009 movie.

Ok, first of all Jeebus, reading comprehension is a good thing. Re-read my post please. Or don't as I'll point out what you obviously missed:

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but to say that NONE of the Star Trek movies are unwatchable? This means you have now defended Star Trek V, which signifies one of two things: You have never seen Star Trek V, in which case you are spouting opinions on movies you haven't watched and are now a hypocrite, or your personal taste is SO unconventional (Read: bad) that your valuations of these movies are useless in coming to a general consensus.

As I said in my post (which you obviously missed): "I can't really comment on the original series movies because I'm not a big fan of TOS.." which means I haven't seen the TOS movies. I wasn't commenting on those. I was taking issue with the people who said the TNG movies were unwatchable or sucked ass and took even more issue with those who said the movies sucked but had actually never seen them.

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The casting and acting was superb and everything through Starfleet Acadamy was great, but because of pains in the ass like you who think they're better than everyone else apparently, they had to spend most of the movie explaining why it was an alternate universe and why these weren't the same incarnations of the characters that they remember instead of telling a good story. The movie had a lot of potential, but it suffered to appease YOU, and you don't even fucking appreciate it. Before you start proclaiming how blasphemous these new incarnation of Star Trek is, wait for the next movie.

Wow, I'm not sure how I got lumped into that group of people especially considering the things I wrote in my previous post. Again, I'm not a fan at all of the Original Series. I find it campy and silly but not in the good way that the Batman TV show was campy and silly. So I have absolutely no stock in the 2009 film whatsoever and hardly demanded anything, nor did I ever use the word "blasphemous". I merely said it was a bad film that when approached outside the lens of nostalgia, is a badly made and boring movie. You and I both disliked the movie for what it was, so I'm not sure what your beef is and how I got lumped into being a rabid TOS zealot.

Also, I'm hardly a Star Trek fanboy. Because I enjoy TNG and Voyager and love the TNG movies, I'm a fanboy? Isn't the definition of a fanboy one who blindly defends a particular license no matter what? I hate the Original Series, DS9 was shitty, and I can't even begin to talk about why Enterprise sucked. So no, I'm not a fanboy at all; I just enjoy TNG and the 4 TNG movies because they are GOOD.

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You could have very easily told people that you disagree with their opinions of the movies and tell your opinion panda, instead of calling people idiots.

I called snesguy an idiot because he hasn't even seen the movies but declared them to suck based on other people's opinions. To me, that's an idiot, i.e. one who is ignorant.

I enjoy every TNG movie and don't even find Insurrection a chore to sit through. It entertains me and that's just my opinion.

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It's all personal opinion, obviously, but I don't think people are idiots or childish for preferring Star Wars.

Again, I never said they were idiots or childish for preferring Star Wars. People are idiots for announcing Generations, Insurrection and Nemesis are shitty messes without ever having seen them. And let's face it, Star Wars is aimed at children and always was. That's why everyone loved them as kids. That's why my 11 and 8 stepsons like Star Wars and don't mind Jar Jar. It doesn't make one childish for liking it, I agree, but they are kids movies.

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And I like Luke's "gay" hovercraft!

Aha! I knew it!

GPFontaine wrote:

Pandajuice wrote: It was obviously made for the masses, and not those who appreciate the deeper themes they've come to expect from the Star Trek license. So... something made so the majority of people will like it is a bad thing?

No, I just said that's probably why most Star Trek fans didn't like it. That comment was mixed in with my critiques of the movie so I can see why you thought I was saying that, sorry.

Dr. Jeebus wrote:

Dude, they're awful movies. Don't watch them just to sate a troll.

No, watch them to make a better, more informed opinion on the topic. If you're not willing to do that, then STFU on this particular topic. I'm not trolling Jeebus; it's just annoying when people declare something is shitty without having any experience with it. If I said the last 5 Magic sets were garbage and WOTC has gone downhill since 1996 without even laying my hand on a card and not having played Magic for 15 years, you'd think me an idiot too, wouldn't you?

And Snesguy, while I appreciate the effort to better yourself, watching only 10 minutes of a movie still isn't enough to formulate an informed or an even remotely respectable opinion. Next time, try harder and don't go into it determined to hate it. I'm not talking about ST movies only, but all areas of life.

That's fine if we're talking about nuclear weapons and other hyperbole GPF, but we're not. We're talking about art i.e., movies. Nuclear weapons being bad is a fact and there are other facts one can study to reach that conclusion; there's no real subjectivity there.
How can one comment on whether a movie sucks or not without having seen it no matter how informed they may be? It's irrelevant how many other people they've spoken to because whether someone finds a movie good or bad is pure subjective opinion.

For instance, I liked Dragonball: Evolution when just about everyone else hated it. If I'd listened to those people and spouted off about how Dragonball: Evolution sucks balls to everyone without having seen it, I'd have missed out on something I actually liked and possibly turned off other people who may have liked it too. Forming one's opinion based on other people's opinions is just a dumb way to approach art.

Well somewhat. No, you aren't an idiot for making an educated guess based on a particular director that YOU would personally hate the film. I have no problem with that. But you would be an idiot if you went on a message board and declared that it was a shitty movie and a garbled, unwatchable mess without having seen it. Do you see the difference?

Fun fact: I love Tarantino usually but I really didn't like Inglorious Basterds. I made an informed and educated guess that I would love it based on his other movies, but I was incorrect.