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UsaSatsui
Title: The White Rabbit
Joined: May 25 2008
Location: Hiding
Posts: 7565
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Okay, our current IRC default webclient just isn't doing the job anymore. It sucks. It crashes randomly, it's not intuitive, it has little to no functionality, and I think we're losing new people because they can't figure out how to fucking say anything. In addition, when trolls come in to the room, it's very difficult to keep them out without banning everyone who uses the webclient.
We need a replacement.
Does anyone have any suggestions? Mibbit doesn't really work, Dalnet limits connections from there to 25 total.
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aeonic
Title: Sporadic Poster
Joined: Nov 19 2009
Location: Kissimmee, FL
Posts: 2747
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I don't know, but I second this. I've been trying to get on and it just won't let me. I know, right, more aeonic? how could that possibly be a bad thing.
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Blackout
Title: Captain Oblivious
Joined: Sep 01 2007
Location: That Rainy State
Posts: 10376
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These computers are way too slow for chat, otherwise I'd be able to talk at you guys more often.
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Drew Linky
Wizard
Joined: Jun 12 2009
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Well, whatever happens, we'd still need a way to access it easily. Like the current link from Sydapedia. I'm way too lazy for anything else, and I'm sure some others are the same way... not meaning to point the finger of blame on anyone, mind you.
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https://discord.gg/homestuck is where you can find me literally 99% of the time. Stop on by if you feel like it, we're a nice crowd. |
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Fernin
Title: Comic Author
Joined: Dec 12 2008
Posts: 1179
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While the webclient is nice for the people who are just testing the chatroom waters, I still hold the garbage and steak analogy as being true for folks who plan to come into the IRC often...
Picture yourself sitting at a garbage can, eating trash from it. Now picture a piping hot steak dinner on a table about 10 feet away. The steak dinner is a reliable client, like mIRC or ChatZilla, while the webclient is the trash. Yet so many webclient users insist on just sitting there with their trash...
It lags like hell, it kicks you off randomly, the interface looks bad, and you can't do any of the fun stuff like writing in colors, using good /commands, or being able to find out information by right clicking names.
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 11244
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I'll look into it and see if I can hook up a newer betterer one . I agree with Fernin though. Why are people relying on it?
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 11244
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Honestly, there is nothing out there that is currently being developed or supported.
I am seeing lots of CMS integrated chat systems that use https://blueimp.net/ajax/
The pro's of that type of approach is that we can use our forum credentials to run it. The bad part is that we would loose the bot. Syd has specifically stated he doesn't want a client like this in the past, but I'm not sure how he feels now or how others feel.
IRC still exists, it is simply poorly supported via web clients at this time.
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Syd Lexia
Site Admin
Title: Pop Culture Junkie
Joined: Jul 30 2005
Location: Wakefield, MA
Posts: 24869
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Essentially what Fernin said. Why do we even need a webclient?
There are plenty of free IRC clients, MIRC being arguably the most famous.
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Dr. Jeebus
Moderator
Title: SLF Harbinger of Death
Joined: Sep 03 2005
Location: Wakefield, MA
Posts: 5228
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 11244
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| Syd Lexia wrote: |
Essentially what Fernin said. Why do we even need a webclient?
There are plenty of free IRC clients, MIRC being arguably the most famous. |
A web client is convenient when some people are using computers that they don't own or don't have admin rights on.
As for IRC clients, mIRC is not free. A single-user license costs $20.00.
Personally I like ChatZilla because it is simple, cross platform and free.
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Syd Lexia
Site Admin
Title: Pop Culture Junkie
Joined: Jul 30 2005
Location: Wakefield, MA
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MIRC might as well be free, because there is absolutely no drawback to not registering. I guess shareware would be more accurate though.
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Captain_Pollution
Title: Hugh
Joined: Sep 23 2007
Posts: 1591
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Well, if you register it, you don't have to wait through that nagging to log on.
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<Drew_Linky> Well, I've eaten vegetables all of once in my life.
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Syd Lexia
Site Admin
Title: Pop Culture Junkie
Joined: Jul 30 2005
Location: Wakefield, MA
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Yeah, true. It was the same thing with now-useless GetRight program. All paying did was get rid of the nag screen.
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Captain_Pollution
Title: Hugh
Joined: Sep 23 2007
Posts: 1591
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But yeah, there's definitely enough people who come to IRC who aren't in a situation where they can download a client that a web-based alternative should probably be found. I don't really think it's necessary, though. It's a pretty crappy client, but it works. People trolling on it has definitely been a problem in the past, but I don't see why it can't be handled by just setting the room +m and voicing everyone. As for it scaring off new people, that's silly. Sometimes it lags a bit, but if you use the one here, logging on could not be easier. Maybe just some notices about how if you don't see the room in a couple seconds, you should probably reload the page, and that if what you say doesn't pop up immediately, you should just wait would be worthy additions to the page, but meh. You should also /clear every once in a while, I think.
Basically, the current webclient isn't a great client, but it works. If anyone finds a better one, that would be great, but I don't think it needs to be a top priority.
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<Drew_Linky> Well, I've eaten vegetables all of once in my life.
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Char Aznable
Title: Char Classic™
Joined: Jul 24 2006
Location: Robot Boombox HQ
Posts: 7542
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Chatzilla is good, either standalone or in plugin form for Firefox. Honestly, I didn't even know we had a web-based client.
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Lady_Satine
Title: Head of Lexian R&D
Joined: Oct 15 2005
Location: Metro area, Georgia
Posts: 7287
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Speaking for myself, the current comp I'm stuck with is really ancient. It can't run FireFox or IE 8. I couldn't even get installing mIRC to work. Thus I'm left using the IRC link off the 'pedia.
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"Life is a waste of time. Time is a waste of life. Get wasted all the time, and you'll have the time of your life!" |
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
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| lordsathien wrote: |
| Speaking for myself, the current comp I'm stuck with is really ancient. It can't run FireFox or IE 8. I couldn't even get installing mIRC to work. Thus I'm left using the IRC link off the 'pedia. |
What OS, Processor and RAM amount?
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Lady_Satine
Title: Head of Lexian R&D
Joined: Oct 15 2005
Location: Metro area, Georgia
Posts: 7287
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Win 98.
Pentium II Processor
128.0 MB RAM
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"Life is a waste of time. Time is a waste of life. Get wasted all the time, and you'll have the time of your life!" |
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Syd Lexia
Site Admin
Title: Pop Culture Junkie
Joined: Jul 30 2005
Location: Wakefield, MA
Posts: 24869
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Optimist With Doubts
Title: Titlating
Joined: Dec 17 2007
Posts: 5042
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Good god man, you are in need of an upgrade.
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Syd Lexia
Site Admin
Title: Pop Culture Junkie
Joined: Jul 30 2005
Location: Wakefield, MA
Posts: 24869
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I disagree. I'm posting from a 386, and it's awesome. It can't run your fancy-pants games like "Crysis" and "Internet Checkers", but it can run all sorts of cools apps like Program Manager and PIF Editor that you guys don't have access to on your high and mighy Windows Vista.
In all seriousness, I imagine that LS has bills and stuff that prevent him from buying a new computer.
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Optimist With Doubts
Title: Titlating
Joined: Dec 17 2007
Posts: 5042
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We should all put $ together and buy him a memory upgrade.
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Klimbatize
2010 NES Champ
Title: 2011 Picnic/Death Champ
Joined: Mar 15 2010
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Posts: 4975
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Lady_Satine
Title: Head of Lexian R&D
Joined: Oct 15 2005
Location: Metro area, Georgia
Posts: 7287
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Actually, if I could just get hold of a working disc drive for my laptop (and knew where the disc for our router was) I could get online with that (running on XP, God I miss tabbed browsing with Firefox). Right now I can only get online with it if I can find a wi-fi signal and that source I was piggybacking off of seems to have moved sometime back in March.
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"Life is a waste of time. Time is a waste of life. Get wasted all the time, and you'll have the time of your life!" |
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GPFontaine
Joined: Dec 06 2007
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 11244
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You just need a 2.5" hard drive?
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