Everytime I talk about it all of the harm I've seen it cause, some guy comes out and says something like his friend's dad is the most successful man in the world or some such crap and used to smoke with his son and all his son's friends and how they all have college degrees and have families and all of their wildest dreams have come true, and even though they are the exception, not the rule, because of the example they set, weed should be okay for everyone.

But I still say I have seen enough lives ruined that I don't want anything to do with it. Sure I know people who get by just fine. But for the most part everyone I know that still gets high post-college and probably half that get high post-high school are just like the Afroman video.

DarknessDeku wrote:

Just because some people can't handle it doesn't mean nobody should be able to use it.

If most people's drug use doesn't make life more difficult for at least one other person, I may agree. But it's not like a few bad apples are ruining it for everyone. It's more like the majority is ruining it for the minority. Maybe if it were the other way around, I may feel differently, but if you have to sacrifice the harmless leisure of a few to help many, I have no problem with that.

Also, the fact that I am a father may also factor in. I don't care how harmless it can be, when I think of kids getting high and people selling drugs to kids, it gets my blood boiling.

docinsano wrote:

Dr. Lester Grinspoon is all you need to know.

I'm all for medical use.

DarknessDeku wrote:

scamrock wrote: DarknessDeku wrote: Just because some people can't handle it doesn't mean nobody should be able to use it. If most people's drug use doesn't make life more difficult for at least one other person, I may agree. But it's not like a few bad apples are ruining it for everyone. It's more like the majority is ruining it for the minority. Maybe if it were the other way around, I may feel differently, but if you have to sacrifice the harmless leisure of a few to help many, I have no problem with that. Also, the fact that I am a father may also factor in. I don't care how harmless it can be, when I think of kids getting high and people selling drugs to kids, it gets my blood boiling. I never said I want people selling drugs to kids so they can get high. I think people that can use it responsibly should be able to use it.

I know. I was just adding that on because I used to be more "on the fence". In addition, most people start using when they are a teenager. How many people do you know that stay away from the shit then suddenly start using in adulthood. I'm sure it happens, but pretty much most of the people I know started in high school, most of the rest started in college, while a smaller portion (while still surprisingly high considering) started in junior high.

SoldierHawk wrote:

scamrock wrote: If most people's drug use doesn't make life more difficult for at least one other person, I may agree. But it's not like a few bad apples are ruining it for everyone. It's more like the majority is ruining it for the minority. Maybe if it were the other way around, I may feel differently, but if you have to sacrifice the harmless leisure of a few to help many, I have no problem with that. Also, the fact that I am a father may also factor in. I don't care how harmless it can be, when I think of kids getting high and people selling drugs to kids, it gets my blood boiling. But if you argue that weed shouldn't be allowed because a small population abuses it, shouldn't alcohol be illegal as well? God knows it kills enough people, and ruins enough families. Frankly, you might have to extend that to smoking too. Granted it doesn't have the same effect on the brain, but the smoke does help kill the users and people around them.

I'm not arguing because a small population abuses it, I'm arguing that a large population abuses it.

As far as alcohal goes, I think that falls under the two wrongs don't make a right cliche. I will admit that I'm probably a hypocrite because I love beer. But if all of a sudden, they up and made all booze illegal, I would completely understand. I'm not trying to be a lame-o or a square. I'd love for people to be able to cut lose or let go from time to time. But with drugs in general, it seems like more people fuck up than don't. For the sake of people who do it responsibly, I think it sucks that its not the other way around.

I'm not sure if this has anything to do with anything, but it seems like most of the more responsible people who were doing it socially (not all though) either seriously cut back or quit completely while the fuck ups kept using so that eventually almost everyone I know that still does it is a fuck up.

But like I said, for the people who aren't making life difficult for other people, have at it. It just sucks that in my personal situation, most of my experience with it and the people in my life has been shitty. I've probably contradicted myself several times by now, but I really just have mixed emotions about the whole thing.

In fact, in reality, whether it's legal or not, it's not like the problems will go away, so I shouldn't care one way or another. But I will say this, I'm probably a lot better off because of it being illegal. If I were caught drinking, my parents would have been a lot more understanding than if I were caught with weed. Is that fair? I dunno. But it's just how it was in my house. So that kept me from messing around with it too much. Otherwise, I'm sure I would have used it much more. With my personality, it's not something I need in my life. I would probably be jobless, broke, and living on friend's couches like a mooch with all of my friends who get high for a living. But instead I ended up the type that has a beer while I'm watching the game at a sports bar with a couple of buddies.

I know I'm rambling on, but I just wanted to add that if alcohal were ever made illegal, I would be pissed I couldn't have anymore beer, but if I thought it would save one persons life, I would support it.

anorexorcist wrote:

Scamrock, you make it sound like weed is on par with crack and heroin almost which is not the case. I'm sure an adult has to sell it to a kid at one point but around here I've never seen an adult selling, it's mostly kids my age, anywhere from grade 9-12. The biggest seller, or former biggest seller at my school is my age, he used to get shipments of up to 10lbs in at a time but doesn't deal nearly as much, made a shitload of money too. Adults on the streets trying to drag kids into it I don't like but half those guys are selling fucking oregano any way.

No, I don't think it is anywhere as bad as the harder drugs. Like I said, if it's a victimless hobby, I don't have a problem with it. Crack and heroin are far from victimless. But for every person who handles weed just fine, I've seen several who let it fuck up their life.

As far as who is selling it, you are right it's mostly teenagers selling it to teenagers. But it comes from somewhere. There are some kids who might grow their own. But for the most the kids selling it are getting it from people someone who has the means of supplying dealers in bulk. Almost always an adult who knows where the stuff is going.